jvlgato Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 In midst of reading this review, but I think Doug's last name is mispelled, it should be 'Savitsky.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 You are of course correct , it should be fixed now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted March 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Thanks Tyll, and Nate, for the great review. I am humbled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Excellent piece, Nate. And I am definitely looking forward to hearing the amp. Well done, Doug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 That was an excellent review. I liked the use of some of the 10 principles of design for structuring the review. Cool beans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I really have to say I think Nate really out did himself. A very cogent review, well written, and had nice flow from beginning to end. Thanks loads, Nate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimless1 Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Congratulations on a great amp Doug, and a stellar review Nate. Looking forward to hearing an L2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Had a chance to read it, and my god, Nate, you are a fantastic writer (excluding name typos, of course )! Congrats on a really great piece! And congrats to Doug - but then I was already a fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Good read, not the last bit out of tune with Innerfidelity's character. I only missed some comments about the amp performance with higher impedance and lower sensitivity cans. I wonder how would it match with the HD800 or LCD-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Very well written review Nate (also love your photographs). Like Tyll said there is a nice flow to it. Congrats to Doug as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelshunde Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Well said Nate. I would also grant Doug a nod to Dieter Ram's "Good design is as little design as possible". As noted by Nate, there is a simple elegance and design economy to Doug's work that pays homage to Louis Sullivan's "form ever follows function". Both inside and out. I'm not sure how much shorter a signal path can get, and still get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahame Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 The antithesis of a 6 Moons Review. Good Stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 To me, what's most elegant about Nate's review is that it, too, follows Ram's principles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Very nice and well written review Nate! And congrats Doug! I have no doubt that this amp sounds really good, judging from the past work of yours I have heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recstar24 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Nate rocks. What a great read, I am glad you spent some time with the amp, it's a special one. And of course doug isn't too shabby either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 The antithesis of a 6 Moons Review. Good Stuff. Now that's a complement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Thanks guys, I'm seriously flattered by all of the compliments. And certainly big congrats to Doug. I really appreciate the way that he's constructed ECP as a company and wish him every success. [edit]And yes Tyll, that's exactly what I was thinking when I read that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellylh Posted March 20, 2012 Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 Excellent write up Nate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2012 There is a comment after the review looking for some L-2 measurements. I thought I'd post some here. These are taken via RMAA at ~125mW output, which is 2Vrms into 32 ohms. That is very very loud -- louder than anyone should ever listen. When the level is more resonable, much of that drops into the noise floor, so take these as worst case. At any rate, THD is ~0.14% and IMD is ~0.12%. (The 60Hz bump is in the soundcard.) THD: IMD: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3cT Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Nice write-up, Nate! Short, concise and informative just the way I like it although it would be even nicer to have some tech specs around like output impedance or how much power the amplifier pumps into a 32 ohm load for example. I really would like to hear the L2 as I have yet to hear a hybrid amplifier that rocks my socks off. The Apex/Peak probably came closest to this regard but with the wrong headphones, it can be a bit too aggressive-sounding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Nice write-up, Nate! Short, concise and informative just the way I like it although it would be even nicer to have some tech specs around like output impedance or how much power the amplifier pumps into a 32 ohm load for example. I really would like to hear the L2 as I have yet to hear a hybrid amplifier that rocks my socks off. The Apex/Peak probably came closest to this regard but with the wrong headphones, it can be a bit too aggressive-sounding. Correct me if I am wrong, but the L2 is not a hybrid if you are meaning hybrid as in an amp that has a tube and SS gain stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 There is a comment after the review looking for some L-2 measurements. I thought I'd post some here. These are taken via RMAA at ~125mW output, which is 2Vrms into 32 ohms. That is very very loud -- louder than anyone should ever listen. When the level is more resonable, much of that drops into the noise floor, so take these as worst case. At any rate, THD is ~0.14% and IMD is ~0.12%. (The 60Hz bump is in the soundcard.) THD: IMD: Doug, Followers of voldemort will never accept RMAA measurements as being valid. The person asking in the comments is one such individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 Correct me if I am wrong, but the L2 is not a hybrid if you are meaning hybrid as in an amp that has a tube and SS gain stage. I'm certainly of the same opinion you are Deepak. Voltage and Current gain are handled by glass in the L-2. There are active solid state parts but not in the way that would have me thinking "hybrid" in the sense that it's usually used around here. And Chris, yeah, I figure the guys making the comments are never going to hear what they want to hear from me but I tried to reply anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 As I stated before Nate, I thought you did an excellent job on the review. As for being a hybrid, I would not think solid state current sources or whatever he is using the sand for (other than a gain or buffer stage) would be considered hybrid, but what do I know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 And Chris, yeah, I figure the guys making the comments are never going to hear what they want to hear from me but I tried to reply anyway. Your response was spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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