blessingx Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Likely due to laziness, I don’t have much patience lately for writing or even reading reviews so I’ll keep this short. It may be of limited use to others as it’s primarily a two amp comparison. My interest was how the new Apex Arete and Volcano competes with the earlier introduced (and owned) Apex Peak and Volcano. This is especially so as (another member pointed out not long ago) I tend to prefer solid states traditional strengths with a touch of tube-like warmth. I’ve kept a Luxman P-1u over a B22 for this reason and it’s also where I think the hybrid Peak is especially strong. The flavoring of the tube I used for the tests, and the one I use over 90% of the time, the Shuguang Treasure CV181-Z, is similar. All comments concerning the Peak are with that tube - other tube, other results. I jumped around tracks, but focused mainly on Alison Krauss & Union Station’s Paper Airplanes (24/96), Julianna Barwick’s A Magic Place (16/44.1), and Domnerus and company’s Jazz at the Pawnshop (Redbook layer of the SACD set). Each fed to a Lavry DA10 from a Squeezebox Touch or Sony/GoogleTV GT1 and then split to the amps. A Sennheiser HD800 (stock cable) was used predominantly, however a Grado HF2 was included. To cut to the chase - the Arete competes extremely well. It is nearly everything the Peak is, with a tad more linear signature (v. CV181-Z again), at times maybe ever so slightly harder, and of course without the option of tweaking the sound with tube changes. They share so much in common across the tracks - great placement and staging on Pawnshop, nice tone across the board (with the HD800s issues caveat of course), proper decay on strings, fine speed (as much as I pushed), great detail on known albums, female vocals soar as they should, and clarity, clarity clarity - that it would difficult to miss these are both born of Pete & Todd’s union. Overall their sounds are surprisingly very similar, and when differences show, they perform as expected. At the risk of over-exaggerating, on Barwicks the layering of vocals had a bit more three dimensional presentation with the Peak’s tube, but the Arete’s extension etched [meant complimentary] objects in a ever so ever so wider soundstage. On Airplanes there was slightly softer edges and a splash of sparkle on the Peak. Pawnshop was even closer by all measures. As mentioned, The Magic Place had the greatest differences, and even here I call a draw. There will be those that will prefer the additional “distortion” of even a pretty clean tube and a little bump in the middle (I do), and of course those who will want the opposite. These are extremely transparent amps (likely why they sound so similar), yet also both offer, if you consider a B22 dry with some combinations (I also do), that touch of warm that handles a greater variety of situations and gear. It's very hard to imagine falling in love with one and not the other. If asked which to recommend, it would be difficult to answer. Their prices are close (though I would love to hear the Arete with the much cheaper switching PS to know what’s possible in the near $1K range). The Peak’s cost can of course climb depending on your tube hunt (plus replacements). And there’s a decent chance if looking at the Peak after visiting other manufactures options, including some with lusher aims, your tube goal may take you right back to the Arete’s sound (it nearly has for me). While there are several tubes I’ve never heard and likely some that would excel beyond what I know, without hearing them I would probably recommend the plug-n-play Arete, unless you always lean towards tubes, want to experiment [possibly] moving ever higher, or wish to customize the sound (personal tastes or across recordings). Then again that last bit of Peak functionality may well be worth a few hundred more just as "insurance". Either way you win. One edge I give the Arete is on case design. Although I’m not sure anyone focuses on Apex for their utilitarian exteriors, the Arete nicely stacks with other half rack items. The Squeezebox, DA10 (or DAC1 turned, etc.), Arete and Volcano for instance makes a great system with a small footprint. This is more difficult with the Peak. I also included the Luxman P-1u with all three repeated album tests. As mentioned, it’s one of my favorite solid state amps and remains so, but if you don’t mind giving up a little gold and silver, you’ll be rewarded with greater transparency with the Apex offerings. You'll also get a solid preamp. Overall the Arete is now my favorite solid state heaphone amplifier. I want to thank Todd for the opportunity of testing. If I was beginning the hunt, I’m honestly not sure which Apex I’d eventually choose. Either is a great all arounder, but either is especially a strong choice for the HD800. If you want to “fix” that phone you may want to look elsewhere, but if you want to play to it’s strengths, I’d start looking here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellylh Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Now I want an Arete too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDen Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Thanks for the impressions, I've been looking at the Arete as well, I think it would go nicely with the Neko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Using an Arete and Volcano for testing Audeze cans, and had a Peak here for a couple of months some time ago. Just mark me down as a "+1" on everything blessingx said. These are clean amps without being sterile in the least. The tube on the Peak just makes for some extra fun. Sorry Shelly, I think you do want one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Nice write up, thanks! I've gotta sell some stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 You might not like doing reviews anymore, but you sure are good at them. Nicely put, and very much consistent with my very limited experience with the Apex Twins. I think I heard the Arete with the switching PS and it sounded very nice, but that was in the CanJam room at RMAF and not very critical listening to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrion Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Nice job Ric and timely since I am considering getting back into headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Nice review Ric! Nice job Ric and timely since I am considering getting back into headphones. Sweet.... the used gear market is going to pick back up in a few weeks Edited November 8, 2011 by Dreadhead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Tyll (or anyone else), did you have a chance to hear the Arete with the switching PS for an extended time? Edited November 8, 2011 by jvlgato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 ^^^ Nope. Only the Volcano. Maybe I can borrow the switcher from Todd sometime soon and report back. Todd? Todd?? Is this thing on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 You'll have to ask him directly because he barely ever reads the forums (except when somebody says, "Hey Todd, you're losing sales because your website is bonky.") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aimless1 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 ^^^true, dat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Yeah, I know, He'll stumble across it eventually and have a good laugh. I'll be talking to him soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I sent Todd a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Hi Guys, Ok, so you are correct, don't get to the threads anywhere near enough. But with some kindly proding I do show up Tyll will be getting a switching supply (the stock supply with the Peak and Arete) on Thursday. I will be delivering it to him and look forward to seeing Tyll and saying hi! Blessingx, I can send one to you also if you want to hear the Peak/Arete/Volcano/Switcher. Let me know via e-mail and I'll send one out to you tomorrow... that will then be included with the traveling loaner Arete/Volcano Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Man, that's some good customer service! Thanks, Todd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blessingx Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thanks Todd. Request made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Hi All, A power supply was delivered to Tyll yesterday by my lovely wife and we shipped a power supply to blessingx too! So you will hear something from these two wise men soon. I have 2 people on the Arete loaner list and am willing to extend it to 2 or 3 more folks if you want to sign up. Just e-mail me with your contact info and user name and I will add you to the loaner program. The rules are: you get it for 2 weeks and then you send it to the next guy (or gal). Then you get to write a review of what you heard. Let me know if you want in on the loaner program! Todd Edited November 10, 2011 by Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shellylh Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I would be interested in getting in on the loaner program if it were still going in a couple of months. I would be interested in comparing Arete (with standard PS) to the other two SS amps I have: Headamp GS-1 and Stello HP100. I'll send an email a little later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I would love to hear your impressions of those amps, Shelly! PM sent to Todd. Edited November 10, 2011 by jvlgato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aura Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 John, lemme know if you get in on the loaner program, maybe we can set up a bro-date and demo the gear together. I'd like to see how the thunderpants perform on Todd's stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) John, lemme know if you get in on the loaner program, maybe we can set up a bro-date and demo the gear together. I'd like to see how the thunderpants perform on Todd's stuff. Great idea, I can do that! Todd said I'm currently 3 on the list, so is estimating 6wks. I'll let you know. Edited November 11, 2011 by jvlgato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Great idea, I can do that! Todd said I'm current 3 on the list, so is estimating 6wks. I'll let you know. Hmm, that puts it right around Christmas. I have a bit of time off then ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sure, the more the merrier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absorbine_Sr Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 (edited) Hmm, that puts it right around Christmas. I have a bit of time off then ... I see an amp listen and adult beverages get together in our future...... Edited November 11, 2011 by Absorbine_Sr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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