LFF Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 Hey guys, is there a primer (link) out there for making the graphs? I have seen them but have never made them. would like to do some comparisons. I just open up a file in my editor of choice and take a screen pic. It's that easy.
deepak Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 Hey guys, is there a primer (link) out there for making the graphs? I have seen them but have never made them. would like to do some comparisons. Audacity, it is free for Windows and Mac. Just drag and drop the file into the main window and zoom in or out. It handles wav, mp3, and FLAC natively. Not sure about other formats. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/
LFF Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 (edited) My ears hurt just from looking at that. It's bad enough to make actual brick walls blush. Yes, please. There are so many bad remasters out there that finding and identifying the few good ones is worthy effort. I know... The best way I have found of identifying good masters is by year or credits. Usually, the earlier the pressing, the better it will be in terms of dynamic range. For credits, I look for labels I trust like Audio Fidelity, MFSL, DCC, Chesky, Sheffield Labs, etc... I also check for the following names: Steve Hoffman Alan Yoshida Roy DuNann Barry Diament Kevin Gray Joe Tarrantino George Horn Paul Stubblebine George Massenburg Keith O. Johnson Bob Ludwig Bob Katz Larry Walsh Doug Sax Ron Furmanek Bill Inglot As for the Rolling Stones - Tattoo You...the first pressing black triangle is the best version in terms of dynamics but it needs some serious EQ work as it sounds very thin. Edited September 3, 2011 by LFF
mikeymad Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 Audacity, it is free for Windows and Mac. Just drag and drop the file into the main window and zoom in or out. It handles wav, mp3, and FLAC natively. Not sure about other formats. http://audacity.sour...e.net/download/ thx
Grahame Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 You could also check out the Unofficial Dynamic Range Database http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ And two interesting articles on the matter, which seem to have contra-intuitive results regarding the "loudness wars" Dynamics: evolution over the years, distributions Dynamic Range & The Loudness War We all know music is getting louder. But is it less dynamic? Our ground-breaking research proves beyond any doubt that the answer is no — and that popular beliefs about the ‘loudness war’ need a radical rethink.
Torpedo Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 Audacity, it is free for Windows and Mac. Just drag and drop the file into the main window and zoom in or out. It handles wav, mp3, and FLAC natively. Not sure about other formats. http://audacity.sour...e.net/download/ It can handle ALAC and wma too, but you need to install the 1.3 beta, which IMO is preferable. It also has a better, more detailed frequency grid in case you need to carry spectrogram analysis. You can read about it here
Knuckledragger Posted October 10, 2011 Author Report Posted October 10, 2011 Truefax: This was one of the first albums I ever owned. My uncle bought it for me not long after I turned 7. I have owned a lot versions of it over the years. The original 1981 release on cassette and vinyl, the 1992 re-issue with Cargo, and now the 2009 remaster (which also features a remaster of Cargo. I've been casually listening to the 2009 remaster and so far it sounds really good. I'll see about producing some waveforms later.
Knuckledragger Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) "Later" it is. Here's three versions of "Helpless Automation" which is arguably my favorite track off Business As Usual: Original 1980s CD: 1992 re-issue: 2009 remaster: That last one is ...unpleasant looking. I did say it sounds "really good" in my post from months ago. I'm going to need to re-visit all three and see if that sentiment holds up. I don't have a original 1980s CD of their followup Cargo, but the 1992 and 2009 editions above are both part of a 2CD that included their first two ablums. Here's "It's A Mistake" from the second disc of both: 1992 editon: 2009 remaster: Edited February 13, 2012 by Knuckledragger
Knuckledragger Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) George Horn Digital Remaster of Creedence Clearwater Revival' Chronicle. This is from the 1994 CD, which is the same as the 1991 pressing AFAIK. NOPE. 1991 remaster is by Gary Hobish. I am Jack's Brickwalled Hell. Edited October 28, 2012 by Knuckledragger
Torpedo Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 Oh, I've seen way worse. I'm sure you too
Knuckledragger Posted October 28, 2012 Author Report Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Couldn't source the 1991 remaster, but this is the 1995 gold CD: Much better. Edited October 28, 2012 by Knuckledragger
Dusty Chalk Posted October 28, 2012 Report Posted October 28, 2012 Nice use of mint green to make the sound seem antiseptic. The frequency plots look warm, however.
Knuckledragger Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Posted November 18, 2012 So I got my hands on the much-anticipated 20120 remaster of the classic 1991 Massive Attack album Blue Lines: 2012 remaster: 1991 original:
Torpedo Posted November 18, 2012 Report Posted November 18, 2012 What a pity I had hopes it was for good
HeadphoneAddict Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 WTF is wrong with these people making these?
Grahame Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 ^ Nothing per se, its just that "they were only obeying orders" from either the band or the music execs. Some of the mastering engineers are attempting to push back. http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/loudness-war-open-letter/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war http://www.hippocraticmastering.com/whatismastering I wish them well.
TMoney Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Does anyone have a link to the method to plug the PS3 into the computer to read SACDs? I'd love to jack the PS3 into my computer and start posting pictures of some of these SHM-SACDs to see how they compare. Going by ear, some of these waveforms must look fantastic.
Grahame Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 Does anyone have a link to the method to plug the PS3 into the computer to read SACDs? I'd love to jack the PS3 into my computer and start posting pictures of some of these SHM-SACDs to see how they compare. Going by ear, some of these waveforms must look fantastic. Kids today http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rip+sacd+using+ps3
TMoney Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 I do have the original SACD PS3, but I think I may be SOL because my firmware is too new. I'll have to check once I get home.
aardvark baguette Posted November 19, 2012 Report Posted November 19, 2012 If I ever get the MSD dac I'm going to definitely be archiving my SACDs. That will probably take an entire hard drive, I have no idea.
deepak Posted November 20, 2012 Report Posted November 20, 2012 Not related to a remaster, but an annoying thing on a new release none the less. The new Zeppelin concert CDs from London show have an annoying 12.5 KHz and 15 KHz squeeeel throughout most of the songs, really obvious on Stax A concert that had over 4 million people cued to buy tickets to and they let this crap slip through Hopefully it will be less obvious on the home theater with the blu-ray
Knuckledragger Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Posted November 28, 2012 This is supposedly from the 24/96 DVD version of the 2012 remaster of Blue Lines. There's also a 24/96 web download, but I have not seen any waveforms of it yet. Based on the above two examples, I'm not very optimistic.
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