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Use Your Illusion II

Use Your Illusion II
by Guns N' Roses (1991)

https://album.link/i/1389971138

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Put in my queue for the Example tune. Prepping for the future. Anyway I had not listened to the album in a long time, maybe 1992. It is a good, but not great album for me. Some highlights with a handful of forgettable tunes. If it were tightened up to just one Album length I think it would be a lot better. And I skipped the 2.5 hour DELUX version. Regardless I do enjoy when they get into a groove and Slash is on top of his game. 

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I'm overdue for a listen too. Perhaps decades since my last listen. I remember a lot of waste of time material and about 1/3 of it was up to the standards of their first album. 

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Not listening via speakers or headphones, but in my head I've been hearing Cher's "Believe" but in a Country format. I've been internally interpreting this for a few days now, with a baritone, male vocal. I think this song would lend itself to Country quite well.

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On 2/29/2024 at 12:52 PM, robm321 said:

Beethoven's 3rd Symphony is probably my favorite of his. The 9th is epic and amazing but clunky and is kind of disjointed, especially in the beginning of the first movement. And doesn't it get too much credit for it hooky melody? :ph34r:. The 3rd is perfect as a whole IMO.

So, this dude let me know about the supposedly, generally agreed on, reference recording for this piece. He points out that "it may not be your favorite but it is the reference."   

 

So, I meandered over to Qobuz, had a listen. I've heard several of them, and this one wipes the floor with all of them. In fact, it made me realize just how complex a composition it is. It's easy for conductors to go overboard on the big moments or heavy parts making it sound almost like you're just waiting for the cool parts once they get through the meanderings in between.

The opposite happens here. It's hard to put into words, but the big moments are actually reserved and there is so much sophistication going on throughout that becomes much more transparent with this performance. Regardless, it is my favorite Eroica now and there's no close 2nd. 

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So based on this post I took some time and loaded my queue up with a pretty good pile of versions of the 3rd.  A couple weeks ago I started listening to just under 50 of them. Well, I am here to say that after listening to the following I have stopped the project. There are still many in my queue. There are just too many versions and only a few that I am really excited about. 

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So. I don't really have write-ups on these. But the last three, I didn't like. 

Those are the ones that I got to and the rest of these I touched on.. Mostly the first and third movements as a reference. 

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So - what did I like. 

I did like the Szell/Cleveland that started this. A very balanced performance and recording. Makes lean into it rather than it coming at you. It got me more interested in the second movement more than just about every other recording. 

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The rest of these were at the top of my list (not in order) when I pulled the plug on this project. They are all worth a listen for various reasons from pace, to recording, to getting some of the complex/awkward parts right. For me that is. 

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I really do like the piece, but I did find it hard to listen to this over and over. 

An interesting project for sure. 

That said, if there is a recording and performance that I 'have' to listen to, please recommend. I have no issues listening to it, I am just no longer interested in a survey. I had a friend recommend the Manze/Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra - and it was very good. 

Cheers.

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4 hours ago, mikeymad said:

 

I really do like the piece, but I did find it hard to listen to this over and over. 

An interesting project for sure. 

That said, if there is a recording and performance that I 'have' to listen to, please recommend. I have no issues listening to it, I am just no longer interested in a survey. I had a friend recommend the Manze/Helsingborg Symphony Orchestra - and it was very good. 

Cheers.

 

you might want to try

stereo:

Gunter Wand;Ndr Symphony Orchestra                    (specialist in Germanic symphonies c.f brahms, bruckner)

herbert blomstedt;Gewandhausorchester Leipzig 

Staatskapelle Dresden;herbert blomstedt

André Cluytens;Berliner Philharmoniker

igor Markevitch;Orchestre des Concerts Lamoureux

 

mono:

erich kleiber;vienna po                (dad of carlos kleiber)

felix Weingartner;london so        (first complete recorded beethoven symphony cycle)

paul van kempen;berlin po         (conductor of kempff classic 1950s beethoven piano concerto cycle)

 

The marmite option: if you like "period instruments historically informed":
roger norrington;london classical players

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Re - Beethoven 3rd: That's amazing, Mikey. I'm not sure if I could stomach that much of the same piece.

I'll have to listen to some on your list. 

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On 6/26/2024 at 8:55 AM, Torpedo said:

I can't help agreeing with him. Nothing that is produced in vast amounts and costs next to nothing, other than oxygen in the air and water from the faucet, can be appreciated. Truth is that the human work feeding the AI to produce "new" music is already done. I think I posted time ago a video by a jazz musician who said that the future of human music surviving AI will probably be live improvisation. He believes that AI would need quite some time (yet) to meet the standards to improvise listening and interacting with other musicians in real time.

Apropos:

https://www.alexmurrell.co.uk/articles/the-age-of-average-encore

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This morning, after reading the year's best jazz albums chosen by a newspaper "expert" I listened to

The Attic & Eve Risser - La Grande Crue

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Too free and avantgarde for my taste. Then to clean the sadness for not being able to listen to a single whole tune:

 

Keith Jarrett and two very talented guys - The Old Country

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This is something that I not only can listen, but also enjoying deeply.

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