Beyerdynamic T5p

[Dusty Chalk]

Link

Modeled after the T1...

$1295 MSRP...

Closed...

Designed to be driven "straight"...

Hmmm...I'm a gonna need to hear these...(strokes chin)...

[Dusty Chalk]

Jesus Christ, do you have to post something negative every time the name Beyerdynamic comes up? It's getting old, dude. Go back and listen to your speakers.

[Knuckledragger]

Beyer fan or no, what I suspect the problem will be is that the cans will be half again as expensive as they should be. That said, I really like the idea of high end closed cans that don't end in "-sone."

[Wmcmanus]

Half again as good? So you're expecting them to be $800 to $900-ish good? More or less my gut feeling as well, although I have no basis for that and will reserve judgment until I've heard them, as always.

Talked to Todd (TTVJ) about them the other day. He had just heard them briefly but was impressed. Said they were on par with the T1, but didn't say much else that I can remember.

Can't imagine that the Edition 10's will be twice as good, but as we all know, the math doesn't really work that way. If someone "falls" for a certain sound, then they find one way or another to justify the expenditure.

[Dusty Chalk]

...what I suspect the problem will be is that the cans will be half again as expensive as they should be. That said, I really like the idea of high end closed cans that don't end in "-sone."

Agree on both counts.

And I haven't even heard the T1 yet. At this point, I think I'm going straight to wanting to listening to these instead.

[Iron_Dreamer]

Moon Audio had a pair at RMAF. I though they sounded pretty solid, nothing glaringly wrong. I don't know that the price is justified, but I only had a short listen. They certainly seemed promising as far as closed headphones go, and better than any other closed Beyers without a doubt.

[deepak]

Moon Audio had a pair at RMAF. I though they sounded pretty solid, nothing glaringly wrong. I don't know that the price is justified, but I only had a short listen. They certainly seemed promising as far as closed headphones go, and better than any other closed Beyers without a doubt.

Damning with faint praise

[mypasswordis]

Maybe they finally got rid of that bass reflex crap. But it sounds like the typical Beyer huge treble peak is still there, from the review.

[Iron_Dreamer]

Damning with faint praise

More or less. When your baseline is the JH13, it's hard to get too enthusiastic about most headphones.

[Pars]

Anyone ever listen to the Fischer FA-003s? My brother bought a pair and is going to lend them to me...

[swt61]

bright and bass weak. nice.

Jesus Christ, do you have to post something negative every time the name Beyerdynamic comes up? It's getting old, dude. Go back and listen to your speakers.

Dusty, you know as well as the rest of us, that if you post something about a new product, you're inviting criticism. I've heard a number of Beyer headphones myself, and I've come to the same conclusion as Reks. Exactly how many same branded, overpriced, under-performing headphones does one need to listen to before being allowed to make a blanket conclusion? If it quacks like a duck...

[padam]

I'd like to re-evaulate what I wrote earlier about the T1.

It Does suck and the rest suck more.

[aardvark baguette]

it's what it said in the linked article, i was just summing up.

Go back and read your welcome P.M.

**ducks shovel swing**

[aardvark baguette]

i joined the forum to early to get the welcome PM, so i never read it.

Off to a bad start. Read a little more before posting.

*ducks*

[aardvark baguette]

I'll be good, I promise!!!1!

[mypasswordis]

posty's car gonna really start to reek, son

I'd like to re-evaulate what I wrote earlier about the T1.

It Does suck and the rest suck more.

I wouldn't go that far. I'd say it's around HD600/HD650 level but for only $1000 more. And the rest suck more.

[Dusty Chalk]

Dusty, you know as well as the rest of us, that if you post something about a new product, you're inviting criticism.

Without hearing it, really? Yes, I saw Jacob's post about synopsizing the article -- don't care. I'm going to call people on it every time they do it...as long as I'm not too lazy not to care. It's stupid, and we should be above that here. We've proven over and over again that one review is not sufficient data to describe a headphone/amp/source component/whatever.

And that said, you know as well as the rest of us, if you post anything, you're just as likely to get a response of the caliber I posted, as well, so be prepared for that as well. I like it here -- doesn't mean I have to like each individual post.

Exactly how many same branded, overpriced, under-performing headphones does one need to listen to before being allowed to make a blanket conclusion? If it quacks like a duck...

How about never? The difference between making generalizations and prejudice is that, with generalizations, you're not applying the generalization to an individual based on the group they're in -- you of all people should understand that. I'm not saying that on a personal level you can't decide you never need to listen to another Beyer in your life, but you don't need to post that every time a Beyer thread comes up. Jesus Christ, I don't, and there are a lot of brands that I'm prejudiced against. I do once in a while, but not every. single. fucking. time.

It gets old.

[jpelg]

The pricing on the T1 is too high. I'll hear the T5's tomorrow and determine if they are too.

[swt61]

Without hearing it, really? Yes, I saw Jacob's post about synopsizing the article -- don't care. I'm going to call people on it every time they do it...as long as I'm not too lazy not to care. It's stupid, and we should be above that here. We've proven over and over again that one review is not sufficient data to describe a headphone/amp/source component/whatever.

And that said, you know as well as the rest of us, if you post anything, you're just as likely to get a response of the caliber I posted, as well, so be prepared for that as well. I like it here -- doesn't mean I have to like each individual post.How about never? The difference between making generalizations and prejudice is that, with generalizations, you're not applying the generalization to an individual based on the group they're in -- you of all people should understand that. I'm not saying that on a personal level you can't decide you never need to listen to another Beyer in your life, but you don't need to post that every time a Beyer thread comes up. Jesus Christ, I don't, and there are a lot of brands that I'm prejudiced against. I do once in a while, but not every. single. fucking. time.

It gets old.

And my point is...Once you've tried several offerings from a brand, you should be allowed to form a general opinion about that brand. Is it possible that you might be proven wrong? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that your opinion of the brand is completely off kilter. I've eaten' a lot of Spam in my day. Now there's Spam light. I think it's OK for me to assume that it probably taste quite a bit like Spam.

Using your own logic, I might ask you how it is that you assume you're straight? How many men have you had sex with? Even if the answer is 300, how can you know that you just haven't tried the right one yet?

IMO certain assumptions are indeed OK. It's more about how you handle being proven wrong.

[postjack]

well really this is just the other side of us oohing and ahhing over the new stax flagship. we've come to expect excellence from stax so we assume the new model will be excellent.

I do appreciate where dusty is coming from, but having said that I think it's fine to rip on some shit we haven't heard. it's better then lauding shit we haven't heard. who gives a fuck ya heard

aardvark wins most valuable poster in this thread.

[luvdunhill]

I'm fine with people shit canning stuff they've never heard. At least they aren't recommending it to someone else sight unseen and at least they aren't applying syllogistic bullshit to justify a weak recommendation. I think this fits swt61's example perfectly, though I'm not volunteering to "try before you guy"

[Dusty Chalk]

And my point is...Once you've tried several offerings from a brand, you should be allowed to form a general opinion about that brand.

And my point is -- you're wrong. I think more thought needs to be put into it than this. I'm going to buck the head-case groupthink on this 'til my dying breath. I'm not saying I'm not going to fall for it once in a while, but I'm going to point it out and mentally fight it every time I can.

Specifically with Beyers -- my memory of the DT880 does not fall under that description. So if they can make one that falls outside the house sound, they can make others.

And extrapolating this to other headphone companies, what if all you ever heard from Grados were John Grado's Grados? And then something like the PS-1 came out (before it was heard), and you'd say -- just like every other time a Grado came out -- "oh, great, another grate-o". And they would have been correct every other time, but they would have been wrong this time.

You only need to be wrong once to be wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong (that's directed more at Jacob, but also at you for defending the ability to be wrong like that) this time, but I am saying you're jumping the gun to make generalizations like that without having heard it.

And with regard to me sure that I'm straight -- let's put it this way: I'm sure. The 90's was a fairly interesting time for me -- 'nuff said.

[Dusty Chalk]

Incorrect.

[swt61]

I'll agree to disagree Dusty. And the DT880 falls right into the Beyer house sound IMO.

[Wmcmanus]

Using your own logic, I might ask you how it is that you assume you're straight? How many men have you had sex with? Even if the answer is 300, how can you know that you just haven't tried the right one yet?

Actually, I don't think it works that way. If the answer is zero, than it's probably fair to assume that you're straight, particularly if you have no desire whatsoever for that number to change to anything other than zero. If the answer is one or more, then it's probably fair to assume that you're gay. If you have to have sex with 300 men in order to determine whether or not you're gay, then I'm pretty sure you're gay.