Sonic-D Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 The two top neutral kings in the custom earphone line up goes head to head. Who's going to win? Watch the video and find out! Please rate, comment and subscribe! Click HERE to watch the video. Also, here's an unboxing video of the Westone ES5. Click
Sonic-D Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Posted October 24, 2010 Introduction Before I get deeper into the review I will like to talk about my journey to aural nirvana. Because, surprisingly I believe the Westone ES5's have bought me aural nirvana. The JH13 Pro did as well but not as effortlessly as the Westone ES5's has. My first set of high end earphones were the Shure SE530. I loved the Shure SE530's because of it's smooth sound. It's vocal reproduction is what stood out the most to me. It's detailed and engaging. But, there was one problem and that problem is what eventually lead me to continue my journey for audio nirvana. The problem was the treble roll off. It took away the energy from the music and created a dull environment. The treble roll off though allowed for a fatigue free listen and made the vocals have a smooth and natural tone. Aiming for a more energetic sound signature bought me to the Westone 3's. Immediately they wowed me with it's powerful bass and sharp treble. I loved it's sound, until I heard a song that had vocals... It didn't matter how many tips I tried, the sibilance was not going away. The Westone 3's to me were technically superior to the Shure SE530's in terms of detail, soundstage, etc... but the sound signature which I find the most important had to go to the Shure SE530's. The Westone 3's were returned for a full refund after 2 1/2 weeks with them. Staying with the Shure SE530's for about another month made me want to upgrade again. But, this time I thought I'd go the custom earphone route. Positive reviews were pouring in about the JH13 Pro. Many saying the sound was simply the best you could find in a custom earphone today. Eventually, I ordered me a pair. The JH13 Pro left me with a huge smile on my face upon my first listen. With it's powerful bass, vivid mids and sparkly treble, I thought I was at the end of my journey for audio nirvana. Well, after hearing the Westone ES5's, I thought wrong. These 2 custom earphones are highly regarded as the neutral kings amongst the vast list of custom earphones. The JH13 Pro retails for $1,099 and the Westone ES5 retails for $950. You can order the JH13 Pro straight from JH Audio's website via JH AUDIO | Hear No Evil.. Ordering the Westone ES5 requires a different approach. You can order them through an audiologist while you're getting your ear impressions, or from a third party website or by calling Westone. My ears are very greatful for having the privilege to listen to these very expensive custom earphones and I hope this video will help you in your decision when purchasing your high end custom earphone. Scores will be added up for each section and the average score will be the score that determines the winner. Packaging With the Westone ES5's you get more of a sense that you're getting your moneys' worth when looking at the packaging. You're greeted with a virtually indestructable pelican case, manual, warranty registration cards and a T-shirt labeled with the Westone logo and website. Inside the pelican case you're then greeted with a lubricant gel bottle that is used to help ease the insertion of the earphones if the need arises. A wax removal tool to clean out debris that is built up inside the acoustic sound tubes. A Desiccant Pod that will absorb moisture away from your custom IEM's incase you get moisture inside of them. And, last but not least your custom earphones neatly wrapped and placed around the Desiccant Pod. With the JH13 Pro, the packaging is a bit insulting for the price you paid. You're greeted with a hard case that has your name engraved onto it but it has a latch that is nearly impossible to open sometimes and a manual that as a bit of humor to it and that's it. Inside the case is a cheap velvet pouch that catches lint and dust like it's no tomorrow. Inside the velvet pouch is your custom earphones coiled up. Packaging Scores: Westone ES5: 9 JH13 Pro: 5.5 Build Quality In terms of artwork printing, Westone is much better than JH Audio. My Westone ES5's has a much more complex artwork than my JH13 Pro's but on my JH13 Pro I can see a flaw in the printing of the artwork onto the faceplate. I detect no flaws with the artwork on my Westone ES5's. Due to the translucent color of both my JH13 Pro and Westone ES5 I can see inside of the shell and observe the technology that I paid for. My JH13 Pro had some dust specks inside of the shell and some air bubbles. The cable didn't fit all the way into the shell which is very bad because the pins can rust due to moisture or worst completely short out the speakers inside. The sound tube for the tweeters inside of my JH13 Pro looked as if someone scratched it up with a needle. The acrylic shell smoothness and durability on the other hand was superb with the JH13 Pro. Looking into my Westone ES5's with a very bright table lamp I detact no air bubbles or a speck of dust. The cables fit all the way into the shells. The sound tubes were also clear and free of imperfections. Acrylic shell smoothness and durability is on par with the JH13 Pro. Build Quality Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 7 Comfort, Fit and Isolation Being that the Westone ES5 and JH13 Pro is a custom earphone the fit is going to be perfect or it should be. I have absolutely NO complaints with the Comfort, fit or isolation with my Westone ES5's. But, with my JH13 Pro's the right earpiece was uncomfortable to wear after 1 hour. After many refits, the problem remained the same. With the Westone ES5's they litterally disappear in terms of comfort after 5 minutes in my ears. Looking at my Westone ES5's and JH13 Pro's their shape and size differ a tad bit. Which is the reason why my JH13 Pro are uncomfortable. I'm assuming either my ear impressions were bad or that JH Audio's scanning machines are un accurate. The Westone ES5's and JH13 Pro's isolation are both roughly similar. They both block out a lot of ambient noise which makes low volume listening possible when outside. Comfort, Fit and Isolation Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 7 Bass Presentation The Westone ES5's bass first and foremost isn't for the bass head. So if you crave un accurate amounts of bass the Westone ES5's aren't for you. With that being said don't get the impression that these are bass lacking. The bass I would best describe is very faithfull. The Westone ES5's bass is pretty much flat all the way down to 20hz. It lacks the 6 decibal 50hz boost the JH13 Pro has. But, I've grown to prefer the flatter more accurate and surprisingly more detailed bass of the Westone ES5's. The JH13 Pro's sub-bass has a nice impact to it but unfortunately it makes some instruments come off wrong in tonality. Also, it slightly reduces the detail perceived in the upper registers. I still love the powerful bass of the JH13 Pro's though, it sounds like a nice subwoofer you'd have for an expensive home theater. The Westone ES5's subwoofer sounds like the ones you'd have in a top notch professional recording studio. It's not there to impress you with bass impact but it's there to impress you with it's bass presentation in terms of accuracy, detail, extension, decay and tightness. So in summary the Westone ES5's bass to me has just the right amount of impact to prevent the music from sounding lifeless but not too much impact hiding details in the process and the JH13 Pro takes the more musical approach with a more powerful bass response. Bass Presentation Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 9 Midrange Presentation Both the Westone ES5 and JH13 Pro pack loads of detail in their midrange reproduction but the tonality matters as well. The Westone ES5's midrange is very smooth yet while maintaining superb transparency. Voices come through full bodied and natural. 95% of the time there is ZERO sibilance. The JH13 Pro's midrange is recessed in comparison and lacks the fullness which introduces sibilance. It's not enough sibilance to make the sound unenjoyable but it's enough to take away from the realism. Detail wise the Westone ES5's has slightly more in it's midrange presentation compared to the JH13 Pro most likely due to the unrecessed rendering. In summary the midrange on the Westone ES5's is more engaging, detailed and convincing while the JH13 Pro is more airy and lifeless but still packing lots of detail. Midrange Presentation Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 8.75 Treble Presentation The JH13 Pro treble is very smooth and detailed. It sounds natural but it has a bit too much smoothness and doesn't have the sharpness or bite you would normally hear in real life. The Westone ES5's manages to have a smooth and detailed treble that all of sudden comes off sharp when it should all while not introducing any sibilance to the vocals. Which at first surprised me. In terms of frequency response the JH13 Pro has a peak around 6khz and the Westone ES5 around 8khz. 6khz is where sibilance lays. 8khz is out of the sibilant range but more in the range of cymbals. In summary the JH13 Pro's treble is very good but has a tad bit too much smoothness while the Westone ES5's are more energetic and revealing all while remaining natural in it's tonality. Treble Presentation Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 9 Speed/Transient Response Both the JH13 Pro and Westone ES5 are super fast in their transient response due to the technology they use to reproduce the sound. Listening to very complex music, neither earphones break a sweat or show signs of struggling. Every sound comes through with superb clarity and sounds as if each sound has it's own speaker. The Westone ES5's utilize 5 balanced armature speakers per ear. 2 tweeters, 2 midrange speakers and 1 subwoofer. The JH13 Pro's utilize 6 balanced armature speakers per ear. 2 tweeters, 2 midrange speakers and 2 subwoofers. According to Jerry Harvery the speakers inside the JH13 Pro and JH16 Pro are custom spec and oscillate 2 times faster than any other balanced armature speaker on the market. After hearing the Westone ES5's, either Westone obtained similar speakers or what Jerry said is a marketing gimmick. In summary I have no complaints about the speed of both the Westone ES5 and JH13 Pro. Speed/Transient Response Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 10 Accuracy Overall, I'd give the Westone ES5's the crown here with no hesitation. Everything sounds more realistic. The Westone ES5's produce the most neutral sound that I've heard while having the appropriate colorations to prevent a boring and lifeless presentation. The JH13 Pro is still a very accurate earphone but due to the overly smooth treble, vocal sibilance and recessed midrange it falls short to the Westone ES5's. In summary If you want to hear pretty much damn near exactly what's coming out of the 3.5mm input on your source the Westone ES5's are your ticket. Accuracy Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 8.75 Detail Retrieval I wouldn't necessarily say one earphone is more detailed than the other. The Westone ES5's sounds more detailed to my ears mainly because the bass isn't overpowering anything, the midrange is full and present and the treble is energetic and crisp. Nothing is lacking. The JH13 Pro is just about as detailed as the Westone ES5's but due to it's sound signature some of the details are hidden. The details aren't really hidden in the sense that you can't hear them at all it's more like the detail is hard to pick up unless you literally anticipate it's arrival. With the Westone ES5's the same detail I missed with the JH13 Pro was coming through effortlessly and not forced. In summary both earphones are highly detailed and will make it seem like you're listening to your music for the first time. Detail Retrieval Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 9.5 Soundstage The soundstage on both the JH13 Pro and Westone ES5 are spectacular for an earphone. The sound extends wide left to right, front to back and top to bottom with amazing coherence. The soundstage size goes to the JH13 Pro primarily due to the recessed midrange which gives you the impression you're further from the vocalist. The Westone ES5's put you on the first row while the JH13 Pro put you on the 3rd or 4th row. I prefer the Westone ES5's approach because the midrange is fuller and sounds more realistic. Also, would you rather have front row tickets or 3rd row? I know I would rather have front row. Genres like electronica and drum n bass the soundstage of the JH13 Pro is preferred because the midrange tonality doesn't have much importance with computer generated sounds. In summary both the JH13 Pro and Westone ES5 offer spectacular soundstage capabilities but the JH13 pro's soundstage size is nice when listening to genre's Electronica and Drum n Bass. Soundstage Scores: Westone ES5: 9.5 JH13 Pro: 10 Imaging Surprisingly the Westone ES5's seem to edge out of the JH13 Pro slightly in terms of imaging. Everything sounds tighter and more controlled through the Westone ES5's. The JH13 Pro on the other hand still has amazing imaging but it's slightly blurred in comparison to the Westone ES5's. There seems to also be abit more depth in the sound with the Westone ES5's. It's somewhat like I can physically feel the sound being played before me. When I close my eyes I'm more easily convinced that I'm there with the music using the Westone ES5's. In summary both the Westone ES5 and JH13 offer sharp imaging but the Westone ES5 slightly edges it out in depth and sharpness. Imaging Scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 9.5 Transparency How can I best describe this? Say you have a window that is dirty. The music is on the other side of the window. You're trying to look through this window and see the music. With iPod earbuds there is no dirty window between you and the music. There is 10 foot tall brick wall. Anyways, with the JH13 Pro. It's like someone cleaned the window. With the Westone ES5's it's like someone removed the window. Yes, the Westone's are more transparent than the JH13 Pro's. Every frequency band is equal in volume therefore the detail perceived is higher compared to the JH13 Pro with a more musical but unneutral sound signature. The JH13 Pro is still very tranparent but it's easier for me to forget I'm listening to tiny high quality speakers in my ears using the Westone ES5's. In summary the Westone ES5's to me are the Sennheiser HD800's equivalent of custom earphones in terms of transparency. Transparency scores: Westone ES5: 10 JH13 Pro: 9.25 Overall score Westone ES5: 9.8 JH13 Pro: 8.5 Summary Keep in mind that this review is entirely subjective. For the 9 months that I've owned the JH13 Pro I was in audio bliss until I heard the Westone ES5 and that forever changed. I can safely say that the Westone ES5 is the best sounding earphone or headphone that I've yet to hear.
Spychedelic Whale Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Daniel aka banned Sonic 748i from head-fi its here Did you finally overcome the jh16 fear and stop destroying threads ?
Aura Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 For the sake of dinny's sanity, I hope he doesn't read this. You do realize you've said nothing about anything, right?
Nebby Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 You're greeted with a hard case that has your name engraved onto it but it has a latch that is nearly impossible to open sometimes and a manual that as a bit of humor to it and that's it. If a headphone case is giving you such difficulty, I think you should type less and go work out more
jp11801 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 PLease go away I hope the same MOD that banned your ass at HF bans you post haste here, Vicki where are you
boomana Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 (edited) PLease go away I hope the same MOD that banned your ass at HF bans you post haste here, Vicki where are you I'm busy responding to this idiot's "review." I'd rather not ban him right now, but first prefer to expose him for the fool he is: Daniel, I've heard good things about the ES5s, and hope they are as good as everyone says. Your "review," however, is just another example of why you're not welcome anywhere. You just make shit up to support whatever you're liking at the moment, from the 530 to the 13 to whatever else. I'm not going to pick apart every bit of your writing here, because it's too easy, and I have better things to do, but on first glance: I still love the powerful bass of the JH13 Pro's though, it sounds like a nice subwoofer you'd have for an expensive home theater. The Westone ES5's subwoofer sounds like the ones you'd have in a top notch professional recording studio. Seriously. You don't know what you're talking about here. I'm going to suggest the drum and bass music you listen to might have something to do with your experience. It's also evident by your comment that you've never been in a top-notch professional recording studio, and have limited experience, if any, with home theater subwoofers. You're just trying to make your words sound true, but you're writing bullshit. The JH13 Pro's midrange is recessed in comparison and lacks the fullness which introduces sibilance. WTF? I've heard lots of headphones with recessed and/or bumped midranges when listening to music. No midrange anything is responsible for introducing sibilance, and I've not experienced what you're talking about at all with stating that the 13s midrange is recessed, which to me means recessed to the point of altering the sound of the recording. 6khz is where sibilance lays. 8khz is out of the sibilant range but more in the range of cymbals. My memory may be failing, but 3-7khz is the sibilance range, and also the range that gets a slight bump in much popular music so as to make things sound louder. Since I've listening to my JH13s near daily for well over a year, and had no issue with sibilance (and I had my hearing tested at the audiologist last year, and my hearing is perfect in this range), either you're making things up again to make a point, or it's the music you listen to bringing it about. In summary the Westone ES5's to me are the Sennheiser HD800's equivalent of custom earphones in terms of transparency. As far as I know, you have never owned the HD800s. Why would you make this comparison? More bullshit. Glad you like the ES5, but your writing doesn't tell us anything other than that you continue to say anything to support your FOTM. You then troll the forums with this bullshit, and since your writing isn't about the headphones, but about trying to make yourself sound important when you don't know fuck all about the things you're saying, you piss people off. Edited October 24, 2010 by boomana typos
postjack Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 ::smears feces and cayenne pepper around door frame::
Sonic-D Posted October 24, 2010 Author Report Posted October 24, 2010 I'm busy responding to this idiot's "review." I'd rather not ban him right now, but first prefer to expose him for the fool he is: Daniel, I've heard good things about the ES5s, and hope they are as good as everyone says. Your "review," however, is just another example of why you're not welcome anywhere. You just make shit up to support whatever you're liking at the moment, from the 530 to the 13 to whatever else. I'm not going to pick apart every bit of your writing here, because it's too easy, and I have better things to do, but on first glance: Seriously. You don't know what you're talking about here. I'm going to suggest the drum and bass music you listen to might have something to do with your experience. It's also evident by your comment that you've never been in a top-notch professional recording studio, and have limited experience, if any, with home theater subwoofers. You're just trying to make your words sound true, but you're writing bullshit. WTF? I've heard lots of headphones with recessed and/or bumped midranges when listening to music. No midrange anything is responsible for introducing sibilance, and I've not experienced what you're talking about at all with stating that the 13s midrange is recessed, which to me means recessed to the point of altering the sound of the recording. My memory may be failing, but 3-7khz is the sibilance range, and also the range that gets a slight bump in much popular music so as to make things sound louder. Since I've listening to my JH13s near daily for well over a year, and had no issue with sibilance (and I had my hearing tested at the audiologist last year, and my hearing is perfect in this range), either you're making things up again to make a point, or it's the music you listen to bringing it about. As far as I know, you have never owned the HD800s. Why would you make this comparison? More bullshit. Glad you like the ES5, but your writing doesn't tell us anything other than that you continue to say anything to support your FOTM. You then troll the forums with this bullshit, and since your writing isn't about the headphones, but about trying to make yourself sound important when you don't know fuck all about the things you're saying, you piss people off. Westone ES5 > JH13 Pro. Take it to the face!
mypasswordis Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Amps: RSA Protector ( Owned ), ALO Rx ( Owned ), FiiO E5.Damn, nice amps you've owned. ... Sonic=====D--- ( Owned )
n3rdling Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Delete/edit his review so nobody looking to make an informed decision with their money accidentally stumbles upon his "opinion"
GPH Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 I'd just replace every "ES5" in the review with "JH13 Pro" to make things confusing.
blessingx Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 You gotta admit though the imagery in the video is stunning.
Nebby Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 You gotta admit though the imagery in the video is stunning. At least the first one is in focus; can't say that about the second video.
boomana Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Westone ES5 > JH13 Pro. Take it to the face! And that, friends, is the defense of the indefensible. I have no problem with you or anyone preferring the ES5 to the JH13s. I wouldn't even have a problem if the ES5s were better than the JH13s in every way. What I object to is your making shit up to explain your preference. You'll say anything that you thinks sounds good and makes your point, when it's obvious that you haven't even heard the things you're using to make your points. You tried to make yourself sound important, but you only made yourself look idiotic, and then you actually thought we wouldn't notice. Double foolishness. I felt sorry for JH Audio when you were their rabid fanboy, and I now feel sorry for Westone. At least you won't be posting around here anytime soon.
manaox2 Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 He (Daniel James) has been on the head-fi facebook page with the same review, right above the Acai berry study guy.
boomana Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Well, since he's been banned from head-fi at least 15 times under different names, I guess facebook is his last resort.
Nebby Posted October 24, 2010 Report Posted October 24, 2010 Well, since he's been banned from head-fi at least 15 times under different names, I guess facebook is his last resort. Wow that's quite persistent.
boomana Posted October 25, 2010 Report Posted October 25, 2010 It's actually his persistence that's the problem. He started out as VoLtaG3 (or however he arranged the letters), and was such a lunatic 530 fan, he disrupted too many threads, and couldn't stop himself. He was that way under a few other names, then got the JH13s and started up as different versions of Sonic and other names, and now I guess it's the ES5s. It's too bad really. I just hope he doesn't find religion.
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