ujamerstand Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Thanks! Measuring before 4.7M to bias output gives me 480V, measuring the zener string gives me 580V. I'm guessing the RCRC filter dropped 100V. I'm also reading... 99VDC at the bias supply output; with reference to ground. I was using 1A fuse before. It immediately popped at start up. I think startup transient caused it to blow. Edited June 1, 2012 by ujamerstand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) I had the same problem the first time I powered my PSU with a 1A fuse. I am using a 2 amp slow blow without problems. I am going to order the 10 k Goldpoint. No patience to build a Joshua tree, may be later . It's killing me that I have a perfectly functioning amp and can't listen to it because I need a volume pot. Edited June 1, 2012 by eggil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Chew Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 The harder something is to attain, the sweeter the victory:). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Doug Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Thanks! Measuring before 4.7M to bias output gives me 480V, measuring the zener string gives me 580V. I'm guessing the RCRC filter dropped 100V. I'm also reading... 99VDC at the bias supply output; with reference to ground. I was using 1A fuse before. It immediately popped at start up. I think startup transient caused it to blow. This could be great news! I just tried powering on my third attempt at the PS yesterday, and the fuse blew instantly... I was going to let my blood pressure lower for about a week before attempting again, but maybe I'll just try a higher rated fuse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 1A on a 117V line is a bit optimistic as there is massive inrush current for the first fraction of a second. I use 2A slo-blo on a 230V line with no issues. Thanks! Measuring before 4.7M to bias output gives me 480V, measuring the zener string gives me 580V. I'm guessing the RCRC filter dropped 100V. I'm also reading... 99VDC at the bias supply output; with reference to ground. Is the bias supply fully populated? There are effectively two bias supplies there so some parts are left out when you use the regulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujamerstand Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) I left out the voltage doubler. Connected the jumper. The voltage readings at the jumper was about 630VDC. Here's an image of the wiring when I was testing the negative rail. It should show the parts I left unpopulated. I'll take a better image tonight when I get home. Edited June 1, 2012 by ujamerstand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Anybody knows what the input impedance of the KGSSHV is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 I'm going to go out on a limb and say "whatever you build it to be" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 Anybody knows what the input impedance of the KGSSHV is? Yours is about 1G or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 1, 2012 Report Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Well, if you meant by input as the total amount I have spent so far, its is far more than 1G ! Edited June 2, 2012 by eggil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujamerstand Posted June 2, 2012 Report Share Posted June 2, 2012 Some images of the bias supply readout: jumper: zener string: before 4.7M resistor: Overall shot of the bias supply: Can I assume that the voltage drop over the RCRC filter is normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) I am having some issues with my attenuator. I am sure is something really stupid. This is how I have my Goldpoint wired: XLR 1 (ground) to star GND XLR 2 (hot) to pot in + XLR 3 (cold) to pot in - Pot out + to amp In + Pot out - to amp In - Pot Ground not connected (the body is connected to ground but the individual wafers are not, at least when I check for continuity) This is how I wired it: (Thanks John) http://www.flickr.co...57629647470956/ I get sound but the volume pot does not control the volume. I am able to control volume directly from iTunes however. The pot changes resistance if I connect within the same wafer: ground to out If I connect IN to Out in the same wafer I get a decreasing resistance on the DMM. IN to ground ground gets me a fixed reading. I flipped the outputs from the amp to the Stax connector since I am using an off board version and the feedback is flipped. I have triple checked the wiring and it is done correctly per diagram. Any ideas? By the way, it sounds lovely! The first sounds coming out of it had to be Bach The Sigma404 sounds so much better. I am still afraid of using my 007, may be tomorrow.... Many thanks to Kevin for his design and help. Also indebted to Victor, John, Greg, Andy, and Livewire, and of course Spritzer. Pictures coming soon ..... Edited June 12, 2012 by eggil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) There should be a ground connection. If it was a pot the output connection connects to the wiper that travels from the IN connection to the ground and acts as a voltage divider. Edited June 12, 2012 by wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujamerstand Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Congrats! So close now.. I'm also looking for an old pair of sr-sigma for the sigma404 mod. I've already got 404 drivers in storage. I hope I could find a pair somewhere soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 http://www.tubecad.com/2006/09/blog0079.htm http://www.head-fi.org/t/195904/6x6-matrix-stepped-attenuator http://www.tubecad.com/2011/04/blog0204.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Thanks Wink. Some people told me grounding the attenuator wold only increase the likelihood of hum in the circuit. I'll try tomorrow. Would you connect it to star ground then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) I am having some issues with my attenuator. I am sure is something really stupid. This is how I have my Goldpoint wired: XLR 1 (ground) to star GND XLR 2 (hot) to pot in + XLR 3 (cold) to pot in - Pot out + to amp In + Pot out - to amp In - Pot Ground not connected (the body is connected to ground but the individual wafers are not, at least when I check for continuity) This is how I wired it: (Thanks John) http://www.flickr.co...57629647470956/ I get sound but the volume pot does not control the volume. I am able to control volume directly from iTunes however. The pot changes resistance if I connect within the same wafer: ground to out If I connect IN to Out in the same wafer I get a decreasing resistance on the DMM. IN to ground ground gets me a fixed reading. I flipped the outputs from the amp to the Stax connector since I am using an off board version and the feedback is flipped. I have triple checked the wiring and it is done correctly per diagram. Any ideas? By the way, it sounds lovely! The first sounds coming out of it had to be Bach The Sigma404 sounds so much better. I am still afraid of using my 007, may be tomorrow.... Many thanks to Kevin for his design and help. Also indebted to Victor, John, Greg, Andy, and Livewire, and of course Spritzer. Pictures coming soon ..... based on your drawing, this should work, provided that "star ground" also includes the amplifier PCB and power supply PCB grounds. one thing though, XLR pin 1 should not be connected here. it should be connected to the chassis through the shortest path possible. how you connect the chassis to circuit ground elsewhere is another story. as for the metal body of the attenuator, i would have it conduct to the chassis and dont try to wire it anywhere. Edited June 12, 2012 by justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggil Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Thank you Justin. XLR pin 1 is connected to the chassis only. When I connected the attenuator ground to chassis, it all works now, and clean as a whistle. No hum whatsoever. Per Victor's recommendation, I grounded the right + and - together; and grounded the left + and - to a separate post. It is like I bought a new set of headphones. The Sigma/404 sounds different in a good (wonderful) way. I am so excited I can hardly contain myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Chew Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 (edited) Congratulations! I am so happy for you. You have come a long way eggil ..... Now enjoy your music:). . As I said, sometimes "the harder something to achieve, the sweeter the victory". Edited June 12, 2012 by Victor Chew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PICaudio Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Congratulations eggil -- o -- Rodrigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinsettawong Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Congratulations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwzhan Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 I'm very interested in the project and I've been looking through the thread which kind of scares and intrigues me at the same time... I have a few questions to begin with. First up, I know that there are the off-board and on-board heatsink version. Is there any board-run for the on-board heatsink version happening right now? Or maybe someone has stocked a pile... Second up, there seems to be many versions of BOM floating around here..... will the BOM in Lil Knight's signature suffice? I've only built CKKIII and Gamma 2 before, so I don't have any experience with HV stuff, but I'm very cautious. I'm planning to build this mainly for the experience. It probably will take me upwards to half a year to complete, since I don't want to rush it nor do I have the time to rush it as a student. My EE friend is probably going to assist me when I run into trouble. Replies are appreciated, please no flaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Replies are appreciated, please no flaming. You apparently didn'tread your welcome PM very closely andlurk here for a bit to get a feel of this place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwzhan Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 You apparently didn'tread your welcome PM very closely andlurk here for a bit to get a feel of this place... hmm I've read the welcome page several times.... and been lurking around here for quite a while now... so I have a general idea of the way conversation goes around here. I'm not afraid to be bashed, but I'm just trying to start from somewhere... that last sentence was just written in courtesy (meaning don't want to be seens as demanding for the first post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwmclean Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Awesome work eggil, glad you got it sorted it out, well done! Thanks Justin for your comments about the grounding diagram. I revised my XLR wiring, connecting pin 1 directly to the grounding lug on XLR itself and not the star ground, as per good old rane notes. Not finished but the general shape - they’ll be blued later this week, here are Viljo’s knobs for some KGSSHV’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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