spritzer Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 What Craig is using is a ground loop breaker similar to what AMB uses in his designs (see here, scroll down to "Ground loop breaker"). Connecting the signal ground directly to the earth in the mains wiring can lead to issues such as noise and ground loops so some use ground loop breakers which act as a barrier but will safely deal with something like a live wire touching the chassis etc. It's unlikely that this is causing any issues though, more likely the grounding in either the WES or the DAC. I'd still try to jumper it inside the amp and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 So how does it sound? It really sounds great. [snip] Beats my DLIII and Apogee mini-DAC. I typed several paragraphs about my thoughts, but I decided not to post them because it's just not fun anymore having my impressions of gear dissected and beaten down. Besides, I started to drift off topic about how I don't want to spend more on analog if I can be happy with just a better transport for the PWD... What Craig is using is a ground loop breaker similar to what AMB uses in his designs (see here, scroll down to "Ground loop breaker"). Connecting the signal ground directly to the earth in the mains wiring can lead to issues such as noise and ground loops so some use ground loop breakers which act as a barrier but will safely deal with something like a live wire touching the chassis etc. It's unlikely that this is causing any issues though, more likely the grounding in either the WES or the DAC. I'd still try to jumper it inside the amp and see what happens. That's what Craig said - to look at the PWD, WES or my power center as the source of the issue (APC UPS, or Monster noise filter power strip). The reason we're thinking PWD is that the DLIII and Apogee mini-DAC didn't have hum with both amps connected, with all else being the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Does it make sense that PS Audio claims that the USB input sounds best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetoole Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Depending on how it is implemented, sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 I guess I'm still a bit skeptical about USB implementations. For no particular reason other than I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Plus the cholesterol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Actually if all the inputs are implemented properly I would think they should sound the same. Doesn't the PWD have a jitter elimination circuit thingy in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 Actually if all the inputs are implemented properly I would think they should sound the same. Doesn't the PWD have a jitter elimination circuit thingy in there? Yeah, exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Actually if all the inputs are implemented properly I would think they should sound the same. Doesn't the PWD have a jitter elimination circuit thingy in there? Let's be more precise. It's actually a jitter elimination whatchmacallit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 ^^^ I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Peanuts Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Let's be more precise. It's actually a jitter elimination whatchmacallit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubliss Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Mmmmmmm, caaaandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 Mmmmmmm, jitter elimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullguise Posted March 23, 2010 Report Share Posted March 23, 2010 I have visions of old SNL episodes...."It's a dessert topping...." "It's a floor polish....." New PS Audio Watchamacallit....smooth AND sweet in one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Looks like there may be a firmware update available for the PWD. AudiogoN Forums: PS Audio Perfect Wave Transport/DAC experiences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hmm...I had forgotten about the possibility of using the PWD to drive headphones. PS Audio - High-Performance Home Audio Equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Hmm...I had forgotten about the possibility of using the PWD to drive headphones. PS Audio - High-Performance Home Audio Equipment You'd need male to female XLR converters to do it, don't forget that (as the posters on that forum seem to be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikongod Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Nate builds awesome female to female XLR converters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted March 25, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 PWD Firmware update: PS Audio - High-Performance Home Audio Equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted April 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Just FYI, in addition to an app for the iPhone, PS Audio is working on an app for the iPad that will control the PWD--and later, the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yikes Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Any further thoughts concerning the PWD's sound quality and use? I love my Exemplar XD-1 DAC, but it doesn't allow Native for High Resolution files. I dislike having to put a High Resolution signal through the XD-1's SRC and having it converted to 96 or 192khz. The Bridge is also an interesting feature (If it ever appears). I recently added a PS Audio PPP to my system and I like what it's done to the sound. I think that PS Audio makes some decent cost effective kit. It's just tough buying a fairly expensive DAC without hearing it first. Maybe I'll try to borrow one first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Any further thoughts concerning the PWD's sound quality and use? I love my Exemplar XD-1 DAC, but it doesn't allow Native for High Resolution files. I dislike having to put a High Resolution signal through the XD-1's SRC and having it converted to 96 or 192khz. The Bridge is also an interesting feature (If it ever appears). I recently added a PS Audio PPP to my system and I like what it's done to the sound. I think that PS Audio makes some decent cost effective kit. It's just tough buying a fairly expensive DAC without hearing it first. Maybe I'll try to borrow one first. The PWD has raised my whole rig to a whole new level of realism and refinement. Finally, for the first time my rig sounds like the ones I would hear at CanJam and wondered what I was missing that their rig had. I'm excited by the fact that there are even more improvements to be made if I wanted or could afford it, but I wouldn't even know what the next noticeable step up would be in a DAC. I've been listening to the loaner Luxman P-1u amp since the weekend, and I can more easily hear the differences in comparing amps when the PWD is my source than when I substitute a lesser DAC in it's place. The "source first" guys may be on to something after all. I still would love to own a P-1u though, as the treble is just a little sweeter than with my ZDT/Sylvania gold pin 5751. Time to tube roll again... Maybe someone will have a PWD at CanJam, and you could get a listen to one there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloaudio Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 So it sounds like it is safe to say PWD >>> Bel Canto DAC3 as a DAC. Anyone know how either does as a preamp at low volumes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 So it sounds like it is safe to say PWD >>> Bel Canto DAC3 as a DAC. Anyone know how either does as a preamp at low volumes? I can't comment about the Bel Canto, but the PWD does work well for me through all of it's output volume range, low or high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veloaudio Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Thanks. I just read a post from Paul McGowan on PS Audio's forums that suggests keeping the volume above 50%. My assumption is that this relates more to the fidelity/accuracy of the volume control than just volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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