The Headcase Stax thread

[kpeezy]

Maybe I need to message the seller.

[Spiug31]

I just picked up some Lambdas at a decent price so I'll be looking out for a SRM-1 MK2 to go with it. Do they come up very often?

There is one on ebay just now :

http://cgi.ebay.com/STAX-SRM-1-MK-2-Professional-Headphone-Amplifier_W0QQitemZ320229450739QQihZ011QQcategoryZ3274QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[spritzer]

Aren't the pros the worst of the lambdas?

They are sort of the black sheep to me. Crappy bass, treble and a recessed midrange so I'd take the SR-Lambda or Signature over them any day.

[JBLoudG20]

Then I just got pro bias Lambdas for $250

[hirsch]

They are sort of the black sheep to me. Crappy bass, treble and a recessed midrange so I'd take the SR-Lambda or Signature over them any day.

Interesting. I was completely uninterested in Stax headphones in general a few years back. I had owned a 404 and sold it, and heard the Omega II many times, but had settled on HE60. Then a friend on Head-Fi held a mini-meet where I heard the Lambda Pro. IMO, it was better at that meet than the Omega II's that were floating around (and there was a great deal of different sources and amplification to try them with). I bought a Lambda Pro, and still have it (having long since bought and sold and Omega II; that headphone is too fucking polite). Lambda Pro has much better dynamics than SR-404 did, and is a great headphone for just rocking out.

[purk]

Interesting. I was completely uninterested in Stax headphones in general a few years back. I had owned a 404 and sold it, and heard the Omega II many times, but had settled on HE60. Then a friend on Head-Fi held a mini-meet where I heard the Lambda Pro. IMO, it was better at that meet than the Omega II's that were floating around (and there was a great deal of different sources and amplification to try them with). I bought a Lambda Pro, and still have it (having long since bought and sold and Omega II; that headphone is too fucking polite). Lambda Pro has much better dynamics than SR-404 did, and is a great headphone for just rocking out.

Agreed. I take the Lambda Pro + ES-1 over OII + KGSS anyday. The Lambda pro is pretty nice sounding headphone IMO.

[luvdunhill]

Agreed. I take the Lambda Pro + ES-1 over OII + KGSS anyday. The Lambda pro is pretty nice sounding headphone IMO.

Agreed. I'd take a Lamda Professional + BHSE over a OII + SRM-252A anyday.

[purk]

Agreed. I'd take a Lamda Professional + BHSE over a OII + SRM-252A anyday.

I think you are mistaken my point. The Lambda Pro sounds darn good out of my ES-1 and that is one of the reason I kept the Lambda pro as the back up to my HE90 and sold the HE-60. The lambda pro out of stax amps might sound bad but out of my ES-1, it sounds amazing. I talked to Hirsch and number of people about the ES-1+Lambda Pro and we share simlar finding. Also many people who attended last year Florida meet were pretty impressed by the Lambda Pro out of the Woo GES as well. Mulveling and Tom stopped by at my place and they love the sound of the Lambda pro out of my ES-1 as well.

[spritzer]

Interesting. I was completely uninterested in Stax headphones in general a few years back. I had owned a 404 and sold it, and heard the Omega II many times, but had settled on HE60. Then a friend on Head-Fi held a mini-meet where I heard the Lambda Pro. IMO, it was better at that meet than the Omega II's that were floating around (and there was a great deal of different sources and amplification to try them with). I bought a Lambda Pro, and still have it (having long since bought and sold and Omega II; that headphone is too fucking polite). Lambda Pro has much better dynamics than SR-404 did, and is a great headphone for just rocking out.

They are (with the Nova Signature) my least favorite Lambda and far outclassed even by the Basic headphones or the Spirit. I usually rank it with the HE90 as a headphone I can't recommend without a long audition as they are so far from being neutral.

Agreed. I'd take a Lamda Professional + BHSE over a OII + SRM-252A anyday.

[luvdunhill]

I think you are mistaken my point. The Lambda Pro sounds darn good out of my ES-1 and that is one of the reason I kept the Lambda pro as the back up to my HE90 and sold the HE-60. The lambda pro out of stax amps might sound bad but out of my ES-1, it sounds amazing. I talked to Hirsch and number of people about the ES-1+Lambda Pro and we share simlar finding. Also many people who attended last year Florida meet were pretty impressed by the Lambda Pro out of the Woo GES as well. Mulveling and Tom stopped by at my place and they love the sound of the Lambda pro out of my ES-1 as well.

no, I understood your point. So you favor a synergistic combo over a lousy combo. I just don't see value in these types of comparisons. If you were comparing a combo that you personally find synergistic to another combo that a majority of people find synergistic, that would be one thing. I find syllogistic comparisons kinda annoying and they are often used in straw man arguments.

[i hope I got that one right Dusty, feel free to correct and post that cute fighting kitty again ]

[purk]

no, I understood your point. So you favor a synergistic combo over a lousy combo. I just don't see value in these types of comparisons. If you were comparing a combo that you personally find synergistic to another combo that a majority of people find synergistic, that would be one thing. I find syllogistic comparisons kinda annoying and they are often used in straw man arguments.

[i hope I got that one right Dusty, feel free to correct and post that cute fighting kitty again ]

My point is I never thought of the Stax Lambda pro as a bad sounding headphones and I take it over OII out of the KGSS. Heck, I even take my SDS + L3000 over the OII out of the KGSS anyday. Its not about the synergistic, but the Pro always sound good to my ears even out of the HEV70 amp.

[spritzer]

If you are comparing the headphone on an amp like the ES-1 or the GES you will always get a rose tinted view of the world compared to the brutal honesty of a good DC amp. Now whether you like the sound or not is a whole other issue but this something that is often overlooked as most users have no idea how an amp works and what the differences are.

[luvdunhill]

My point is I never thought of the Stax Lambda pro as a bad sounding headphones and I take it over OII out of the KGSS. Heck, I even take my SDS + L3000 over the OII out of the KGSS anyday. Its not about the synergistic, but the Pro always sound good to my ears even out of the HEV70 amp.

sorry, it is about synergism. If not, they why not say that you like the Pro better than the OII unequivocally? I'd be fine with that statement.

[hirsch]

If you are comparing the headphone on an amp like the ES-1 or the GES you will always get a rose tinted view of the world compared to the brutal honesty of a good DC amp. Now whether you like the sound or not is a whole other issue but this something that is often overlooked as most users have no idea how an amp works and what the differences are.

Umm, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are no output capacitors on an ES1, It is in fact directly coupled to the headphone so you might not want to push this argument too far. The ES1 is a far more transparent amp than the KGSS or KGBH, and yes, I've heard all of them with the HE90. Of the three, the BH had a warmish coloration lacking in the KGSS, but beyond that had very little to say that the KGSS didn't. I'm also sure that the designs have evolved, and that I haven't heard the latest iterations. Then again, I haven't heard the ES2 either. I try to only speak about the sonics of gear that I've heard, and my sig file is very deliberate mockery of posts like yours, where you have never heard the product, and apparently know little about the design either, but seem to feel a need to say something anyway.

[purk]

If you are comparing the headphone on an amp like the ES-1 or the GES you will always get a rose tinted view of the world compared to the brutal honesty of a good DC amp. Now whether you like the sound or not is a whole other issue but this something that is often overlooked as most users have no idea how an amp works and what the differences are.

Birgir,

I'm not sure what to say really, but we all have preference. You will always prefer the sound of the OII+KGBH SE over the HE90 with any amp, while I might prefer the HE90+ES-1/HEV-90 over the OII + any amp. I plan to get the OII one day to use with my ES-1 but I might still not be good enough unless I get the KGBH to use with the OII, according to what you have been saying. Nothing is absolute and I was only offer my view that the Lambda Pro is a very good headphones and I know number of people who love them and I happen to like the sound of the my Lambda Pro + ES-1 over the OII + KGSS.

sorry, it is about synergism. If not, they why not say that you like the Pro better than the OII unequivocally? I'd be fine with that statement.

Don't worry about it. I wish I explained myself better. It is difficult to work and post at the same time.

[spritzer]

Umm, I hate to burst your bubble, but there are no output capacitors on an ES1, It is in fact directly coupled to the headphone so you might not want to push this argument too far. The ES1 is a far more transparent amp than the KGSS or KGBH, and yes, I've heard all of them with the HE90. Of the three, the BH had a warmish coloration lacking in the KGSS, but beyond that had very little to say that the KGSS didn't. I'm also sure that the designs have evolved, and that I haven't heard the latest iterations. Then again, I haven't heard the ES2 either. I try to only speak about the sonics of gear that I've heard, and my sig file is very deliberate mockery of posts like yours, where you have never heard the product, and apparently know little about the design either, but seem to feel a need to say something anyway.

I never said that there were any output caps in the ES1 but two of the three stages are capacitor coupled. I have a sneaking feeling that you paid some extortionate amount for AN silver caps for just that duty. All capacitor coupled amps are colored by the caps no matter how good they are and the ES1 is no exception.

Birgir,

I'm not sure what to say really, but we all have preference. You will always prefer the sound of the OII+KGBH SE over the HE90 with any amp, while I might prefer the HE90+ES-1/HEV-90 over the OII + any amp. I plan to get the OII one day to use with my ES-1 but I might still not be good enough unless I get the KGBH to use with the OII, according to what you have been saying. Nothing is absolute and I was only offer my view that the Lambda Pro is a very good headphones and I know number of people who love them and I happen to like the sound of the my Lambda Pro + ES-1 over the OII + KGSS.

The stock BH is far from good enough to work for the SR-007 but it is a brilliant match to the less demanding SR-?. The BHSE should be a good upgrade but so far unknown as to how much. I would try to find an SR-? instead of the SR-007 as the sound would be much more pleasant to you. They are a real upgrade from the HE90 with a tighter, more controlled bass, better defined soundstage and less upper midrange glare though there is still some.

[deepak]

I thought the KGSS/OII was far from a relaxed sound. However they did sound sort of average out of the old Stax SS amp (717?). I am the anti-relaxed sound type

And I thought the KGSS did a hell of a nice job driving them as well. Getting the right fit is a bit of a chore.

[n_maher]

I think like everything else there are no universal truths in headphones and when some folks insist on stating their opinions as fact (as has been done repeatedly in this thread) it doesn't help any. Example, I've heard the HE60s driven by a KGSS, sounded fricken great to my ears. But then again I though the same thing about the HE60s driven by a T-Amp through a Stax transformer box so maybe my ears just suck? Or maybe I don't have a definition of what the perfect "sound" is and therefore I am able to enjoy a wider variety of headphones because I'm not comparing them to any sort of expected ideal.

[spritzer]

I thought the KGSS/OII was far from a relaxed sound. However they did sound sort of average out of the old Stax SS amp (717?). I am the anti-relaxed sound type

And I thought the KGSS did a hell of a nice job driving them as well. Getting the right fit is a bit of a chore.

I also hate the relaxed type of sound. Blasting Megadeth and Iron Maiden is more of my thing

I think like everything else there are no universal truths in headphones and when some folks insist on stating their opinions as fact (as has been done repeatedly in this thread) it doesn't help any. Example, I've heard the HE60s driven by a KGSS, sounded fricken great to my ears. But then again I though the same thing about the HE60s driven by a T-Amp through a Stax transformer box so maybe my ears just suck? Or maybe I don't have a definition of what the perfect "sound" is and therefore I am able to enjoy a wider variety of headphones because I'm not comparing them to any sort of expected ideal.

They all sound great but we are insane and arguing about small details... I think I need to hook up the old PS1 to a SRA-3S and get back to the basics...

[Smeggy]

I think like everything else there are no universal truths in headphones and when some folks insist on stating their opinions as fact (as has been done repeatedly in this thread) it doesn't help any. Example, I've heard the HE60s driven by a KGSS, sounded fricken great to my ears. But then again I though the same thing about the HE60s driven by a T-Amp through a Stax transformer box so maybe my ears just suck? Or maybe I don't have a definition of what the perfect "sound" is and therefore I am able to enjoy a wider variety of headphones because I'm not comparing them to any sort of expected ideal.

X2. I don't have any kind of ideal in mind and seem very happy with my sounds wherever they are from. I have definite preferences but I don't let that interfere with enjoying my cans no matter the amp/transformer. As long as they're driven well I'm happy as a clam.

[kevin gilmore]

Hirsch back to being the biggest Singlepower shill again, acting like the Wizard

in the Wizard of oz trying to distract the audience with bullshit. Same thing as

sacdlover recently trying to convince people that the extreme and the woo audio

are completely different when they are exactly the same.

See people hear one thing and then try it apply it to something completely different.

With tube OTL amplifers DESIGNED FOR DYNAMIC HEADPHONES, (every one of them except

for mine) you need output capacitors. Because of the impedance of those DYNAMIC headphones

the ratings on those caps have to be something in the range of AT LEAST 200 microfarads.

To make a really good cap (ala the audio note caps) that value with silver foil and teflon

would end up with something the size of a large garbage can. And don't even ask how

much it would cost, as no one would ever build such a thing.

FOR ELECTROSTATIC AMPLIFIERS designed for ELECTROSTATIC HEADPHONES the numbers

are completely different. Omega2 headphones are a 170 kohm load at 10khz. An output

capacitor of .1uf is absolutely plenty for a frequency response absolutely flat between

20hz and 20khz. You can make (and in fact buy) really good audio note caps that value.

You will still not like the price.

Comparing an ES1 with or without OUTPUT capacitors to an equivalent OTL dynamic

heaphone amp is without any meaning.

No the ES1 does not have any OUTPUT capacitors. It certainly does have coupling

caps at the input of the OUTPUT stage. How good those caps are depends on how

much money you want to spend. I'm sure mikhail will even use the gold foil caps if

you throw enough money at him.

Yes the best amplifier in this case would be all tubes, and completely DC coupled input

to output. It is very expensive to do it this way, lots of extra parts, and lots of power

supply voltages. If you are completely whacked you can even do the whole thing

(all 3 stages) with DHT's.

Mikhail has made a good business out of selling ES2's at $15k to $20k. I wish him continued

success, and i'm sure that the limited number of customers at that pricing level are absolutely

thrilled with the result.

[spritzer]

We can talk about that all DHT amp when I'm done building the next BH...

On a side note... the SR-Sigma Pro 404. I've said that this was a good headphone but I hadn't used it with the BH until today and all I can say is wow! Who knew that a Sigma could be this good and output enough treble and bass in the process. There are still some colorations from the box but they can be minimized by using a better glue so now it's down to a small thickening of the lower midrange and light reverb effect to the vocal area. It's certainly a welcome change from the bass bloat of the earlier models and the shut in sound. The Sigma Pro was always a bit of a disappointment for me as it simply traded the musicality of the normal bias model for a thinner sound that was nothing special except a bit more output at both the HF and LF. With the 404 drivers there is a tight and controlled sound stage which lacks the depth of a Sr-007 but puts the Lambdas to shame. The treble is still a bit rolled off when compared to other, less strange designs so cymbals lack the last bit of sparkle and guitars are a bit subdued but compared to the other models it is no contest. The midrange was always the selling point of the Sigma range and it is no exception here. It's a bit larger then life but that's why I like the Sigmas. The bass is tight... real tight with only the hint of a slight boom. It is a bit spotty though with a few irregularities here and there in the response and the housings soaks up too much of the energy for its own good but it is a welcome change.

[philodox]

With tube OTL amplifers DESIGNED FOR DYNAMIC HEADPHONES, (every one of them except

for mine) you need output capacitors. Because of the impedance of those DYNAMIC headphones

the ratings on those caps have to be something in the range of AT LEAST 200 microfarads.

To make a really good cap (ala the audio note caps) that value with silver foil and teflon

would end up with something the size of a large garbage can. And don't even ask how

much it would cost, as no one would ever build such a thing.

And with balanced amps that value doubles, right?

It's weird, my amp only has four 50 microfarad caps [one for each channel], and it sounds great with the K340s. Even with the Grado RS-1's it sounds very good, though the bass could use being tightened up a bit. That might just be the flat pads I am using now though. I need to get a pair of bowls and do a comparison.

[catscratch]

"Relaxed sound" is exactly why I didn't pick up the SR-007 yet. I really do need to hear it on a variety of amps, but since a) I can't stand solid state, I like an aggressive but full sound, and c) I don't have bottomless pockets, I don't think I can drive the O2 properly. Just about the only thing I can do for it is get a transformer box and use my 18WPC Dareds, and hope it will be enough.

It's a bloody shame, since I do miss the planar sound, but I just don't see any options that can outperform my current rig - save maybe for the EH-1.2B, but I think I'll wait until the FOTM dies down on these. My rig trashes the SR-404 on so many fronts that whatever I get will have to be in a different universe sonically, and it's one hell of a leap of faith to shell out on an unknown quantity which may not be better... or a known quantity which I probably can't drive to the proper level.

[spritzer]

I would wait for the 1.2b FOTM to die down to get some solid feedback. You also have to read between the lines as owners ofter refrain from posting negative comments from the fear of getting mauled by the other owners. It's not pretty to be on the receiving end of that...

There is one "budget" option for driving the SR-007 that I'm going to look into but it will be DIY unfortunately. That is to use the massive transformers from a Koss E/10 (the adapter for the ESP10) and hook it up to a 580v bias supply. They are about 4 times as large as the Stax transformers so the necessary current should make it through.