deepak Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 In defense of the 9's on the Gilmore amps, I've found their transparent character really lets the source shine through. I've got a couple of sources around all they all sound very different when played through my 9-KGSSHV combo. If you are interested in lushing them, one possible method might beto keep the Gilmore amp and instead look for a lusher source. What would be an example of a "lush" DAC/CDP? From measurements I have seen most are pretty close to flat to 10 KHz. Differences in harmonics, attack/decay, filters, detail, etc might make something more or less pleasing to someone, but that won't change the frequency response of a headphone. I would think a better solution would be EQ'ing on your computer/other hardware.
TMoney Posted April 1, 2012 Report Posted April 1, 2012 (edited) In my case I've been playing around with tubes in a preamp. I've been trying to sell the preamp for some time, but I figured I'd break it out and do a little experimenting as long as I've still got it. While its not as optimal as listening straight out of the DAC, different pairs of tubes have pretty different sound signatures. Some of my older "tubey" sounding tubes sound pretty darn lush through the 9-HV combo. Edited April 1, 2012 by TMoney
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Is Martin Logan pulling an April Fools?
deepak Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 In my case I've been playing around with tubes in a preamp. I've been trying to sell the preamp for some time, but I figured I'd break it out and do a little experimenting as long as I've still got it. While its not as optimal as listening straight out of the DAC, different pairs of tubes have pretty different sound signatures. Some of my older "tubey" sounding tubes sound pretty darn lush through the 9-HV combo. That's understandable. I never thought about running a tube preamp into a headphone amp.
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 (edited) I think that's a safe guess. Hah! Fooled you into thinking I wasn't sure it was a joke. Or was I? (I'm not as think as you drunk I am) Edited April 2, 2012 by HeadphoneAddict
swt61 Posted April 2, 2012 Report Posted April 2, 2012 Well if it's not alcohol, we can only come to one other conclusion.
nnotis Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 Spritzer, I'm still a little baffled by your desire for less transparency out of the 09s. Based on the bulk of your posts I've read, you seem to have a strong preference for accuracy and neutrality. Are the 09s just too accurate to enjoy? It's hard for me to imagine such a thing.
spritzer Posted April 3, 2012 Report Posted April 3, 2012 Reducing transparency to make them work is only part of the equation. If I wanted to do so then I'd just construct some heavily AC coupled amp and use the cheapest capacitors I could find. Hell, let's not stop there and mess with the operating points so the tubes are as non-linear as I can make them. In essence this is what Sennheiser did with the earliest Orpheus amps but they were after a certain "sound" and those transducers need a sympathetic match to reach their full potential. Put them on a wire-with-gain amp and the results are underwhelming. With the 009 you have a similar situation except they are a Stax Omega so transparency and neutrality are the name of the game. I just think they took the transparency too far, as in it pushes detail into your face instead of just putting it out there. Tame this a bit and you end up with a much more pleasant listening experience. I've said so before but I do think that the Stax voicing for their cans has been a bit "off" as of late. When making the diaphragms there are certain compromises that have to be made and I think Stax just ventured into the wrong direction. This might be done intentionally to make the cans fit the amps better or is could be something as simple as the new diaphragm material acting up. Let's not forget that Stax went to 1um in 1987 but back up to 1.5um after the extensive research done for the SR-Omega design in 1993.
spritzer Posted April 6, 2012 Report Posted April 6, 2012 Would anybody with a Woo WEE mind opening it up and posting pics? I'm troubleshooting one unit and I have some major concerns about the design which I need to verify.
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 Would anybody with a Woo WEE mind opening it up and posting pics? I'm troubleshooting one unit and I have some major concerns about the design which I need to verify. My son has the pre-production WEE unit that he won at RMAF. I can try to open it this weekend. Does it open from the bottom or top? Which views do you need?
mikeymad Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 I only have pics of the proto unit (before pre) that he let me borrow.
spritzer Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 The top opens up and what I'm after are the bias supply setup and the speaker input/switching. On the unit I'm currently trouble shooting the bias supply is handled by a off the shelf voltage tripler from a CRT tv which is utterly unsuitable for this role. There is also no ballast resistor for the bias supply which is a bad... very bad idea. Second issue is that all the black speaker posts are tied together and the switch only switches the red. Plug in a bridged amp (Class T, high power SS, circlotron) and it will go BOOM!!! No mention of this "feature" anywhere I can see...
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 7, 2012 Report Posted April 7, 2012 I'm pretty sure we tried a 15 watt T-amp with this WEE once, and it worked well, while my SRD-7 Mk2 SB caused the T-amp to act up and sound strange enough that I had to turn it off right away. I should have time to open it up tonight after church. Depends on the SWMBO and her plans.
HeadphoneAddict Posted April 12, 2012 Report Posted April 12, 2012 Would anybody with a Woo WEE mind opening it up and posting pics? I'm troubleshooting one unit and I have some major concerns about the design which I need to verify. http://www.flickr.com/photos/larryganz/sets/72157629433265378/
spritzer Posted April 12, 2012 Report Posted April 12, 2012 Thanks for that Larry. The negatives are certainly not switched but I can't see if they are tied together. Different bias supply, in your unit it is a voltage doubler fed into a voltage divider.
Anaxilus Posted April 13, 2012 Report Posted April 13, 2012 What would be an example of a "lush" DAC/CDP? Sonic Frontiers SFCD-1 comes to my mind.
TMoney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 I've never seen one of these before http://www.head-fi.org/t/605095/fs-stax-ed-1-diffuse-field-equalizer-for-stax-lambda-pro-price-dropped
TMoney Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 How does it sound with 007/009s? A nice change of flavor?
spritzer Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 I haven't spent much time with it to be honest as I'm waiting on a good set of L-Pro's before doing any real listening. My main reason for buying it was to unlock it's secrets though....
deepak Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 Woo woo making sweet sound with the SR-Omega now.
Torpedo Posted April 15, 2012 Report Posted April 15, 2012 I haven't spent much time with it to be honest as I'm waiting on a good set of L-Pro's before doing any real listening. My main reason for buying it was to unlock it's secrets though.... Keep us posted. I have no Lambdas, but if it's somewhat interesting with the OII and 009...
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