PS 1000 break in

[luvdunhill]

I only posted a couple of credits to show that I know how to listen. I regularly win work from the $500/hr crowd, I'm not deaf. The GS1000s are used 1% of the time I work, only to hear pops and clicks. They are resolute and have plenty of top, so they work just fine thanks.

So I'm wondering what you've done that's sold over 1M records? I'm posting my name ... who are you?

And I'm wondering why you all would assume that I "like" these phones more than others ... I don't. They're a tool. If I were listening to music on them I'd probably keep searching but I'm too busy being paid to work to A/B phones all day or even listen for enjoyment.

Why insult someone new as being unable to have an intention that makes sense for this phone? I tried K701, 600s, 650s and then paid $600 for these. Job well done. Next fucking topic please?

No one has heard the PS is that correct? Thanks for one answer in 12 quips!

I'm a recording engineer as well. I did my first 1M mark about 15 years ago. Grado's sound like shit. Try a Stax 4070.

[aardvark baguette]

if I say the headphones are good, can I get a mention in the album credits?

[Dusty Chalk]

The GS1000s are used 1% of the time I work, only to hear pops and clicks. They are resolute and have plenty of top, so they work just fine thanks.

You don't think the Sony MDR-V6/-7506 would work better for that? And at a fraction of the price? And I think it's all 'hill' in the uppers, very little 'valley'.

[aerius]

What I'm interested in is why a sound engineer would choose either of those headphones. That makes absolutely no sense to me. Now the HP1s or 2s, that's a different story, but the GS1000 or PS1000, I just don't get it.

I'd agree that the GS1000 is a wtf choice for sound engineer work, but I'd have to say that a PS1000 is a perfectly viable choice as a 2nd headphone to go with a Senn 600/650 or Grado HP-2. For example, the PS1000 would catch a lot of glitches in the treble which get smoothed over by the Senns, and as a check against the HP's it helps make sure that you haven't mixed the mid-bass too fat or too thin.

[lucey]

I'm a recording engineer as well. I did my first 1M mark about 15 years ago. Grado's sound like shit. Try a Stax 4070.

"Recording Engineer as well" ... um ... I'm not a recording, or a mixing engineer. And your name is what? Are you still employed in recording? Why not exactly?

"Sound like shit" ... is all very subjective and is not something a recording engineer would say about any tool. A 57 or a U47 ... nether sounds like shit on the right source. As compared to Sony's these "sound" very good to me, or as compared to the 701 or other phones I was trying. What business is it of yours anyway? Use what you want. Stax, fine. Never heard them, don't need to.

I was asking about the break in on the PS vs the GS. A simple post about Grado and break in. I was amazed how these changed and thought that might make a nice conversation.

And like I said very clearly, the GS are a tool for a VERY SPECIFIC purpose. I'm not posting to defend the phone as "good" only as "resolute" which is impossible to dismiss by anyone who is being serious.

Is this the normal level of listening and quality of posting that goes on here? Your forum came up first on Google for GS vs PS so I signed up. Damn, my mistake ...

[The Monkey]

Is this the normal level of listening and quality of posting that goes on here? Your forum came up first on Google for GS vs PS so I signed up. Damn, my mistake ...

Indeed. I guess it's getting close to time for you to go. However, before you do, I'll repeat my recommendation of headfi.com. It's a fine forum, and I think you'll find more of what you consider like-minded people there.

[lucey]

You don't think the Sony MDR-V6/-7506 would work better for that? And at a fraction of the price? And I think it's all 'hill' in the uppers, very little 'valley'.

Now you're onto suggestions as to what I should be using? Christ.

Those are too painful, too fake to even listen to anymore. They don't work for me at all. Can't stand them even to check a pop or click. I have many pairs from my days of recording and mixing sitting in a box. And they lack the resolution of the GS/have more distortion, which hide a very subtle pop.

[lucey]

I'd agree that the GS1000 is a wtf choice for sound engineer work, but I'd have to say that a PS1000 is a perfectly viable choice as a 2nd headphone to go with a Senn 600/650 or Grado HP-2. For example, the PS1000 would catch a lot of glitches in the treble which get smoothed over by the Senns, and as a check against the HP's it helps make sure that you haven't mixed the mid-bass too fat or too thin.

Again, I'm not a mixing engineer.

And mixing on headphones is really not a good idea. For the price of the HP-2 and the 650s you're half way to a good enough monitor.

[Dusty Chalk]

Unless of course we're mixing for headphones because we expect our music to be listened to on headphones.

A new recommendation then: give it a day to see if anyone comes in with the specific experience/comparison you desire, not everyone stays on the forum, some only check in once in a while. And if the one person who actually does have that comparison comes in and sees a long thread with a lot of arguing and crap, they're not going to post it anyway.

EDIT: Or just buy a pair from a store that has a return policy, and decide for yourself. And then post your impressions here, so you can show us the sort of comparison you were expecting, show us how to do it right.

Edited June 21, 2010 by Dusty Chalk

[Shahrose]

Brian, you should try Head-Fi.org - Headphone forums and reviews for audiophiles if you can't stomach the more blunt responses of these forums.

[Beefy]

Those are too painful, too fake to even listen to anymore. They don't work for me at all. Can't stand them even to check a pop or click. I have many pairs from my days of recording and mixing sitting in a box. And they lack the resolution of the GS/have more distortion, which hide a very subtle pop.

But you managed to listen to the GS1000, which you say yourself sounded like shite, for 400+ hrs? Holy crap, that's a big logic fail right there.

Find something new that you like, AND gets the job done!

[lucey]

But you managed to listen to the GS1000, which you say yourself sounded like shite, for 400+ hrs? Holy crap, that's a big logic fail right there.

Find something new that you like, AND gets the job done!

More insults and assumptions! I didn't listen to them but for a minute at the 100, 200 and then 400 hr. point. I assumed/hoped they would get better, and they did. And they do get the job done. Hello? No "logic fail".

A dynamic driver needs break in, it's not unusual, but it was nasty for a long time. I don't know many headphones, but at least in large speakers, a driver that does not need break in is likely lacking in dynamics.

[lucey]

Brian, you should try Head-Fi.org - Headphone forums and reviews for audiophiles if you can't stomach the more blunt responses of these forums.

Thanks. I was there a while ago for a short time, and it was fine.

I don't care that much for headphones, sorry. Just finishing off the day here. On this forum I see a lot of people who lead with a fist, then listen/read. That's not boding well for the quality of info here. If you can't read a post accurately, and many can't, what good is your listening? Details are details.

I'd like to think the outspoken are insightful. But maybe they're just cranky.

If this forum is worth the noise ratio .... how so?

[Beefy]

I assumed/hopes they would get better, and they did.

Hello? You don't see the confirmation bias problem here?

[n_maher]

A dynamic driver needs break in, it's not unusual, but it was nasty for a long time. I don't know many headphones, but at least in large speakers, a driver that does not need break in is likely lacking in dynamics.

I think I'll take Alan Shaw's word over yours with regards to break in.

[boomana]

You're using your headphones for as a specific tool. You seem to like them for that. Good deal. If I understand you correctly, you're look to add to/replace your GS1000 with PS1000. I'm doubtful that any of us has listened to both for 400 hours in order to answer your question re comparative break-in time. With the exception of postjack, I'm not sure we have too many members that are fans of the the GS1000, and I'm not sure we have any that still own the PS1000. If you were looking for different headphones that might be revealing of the pops and clicks and anything else that might interest you in your mastering adventures, we might be able to give you some ideas, but that's about it.

[lucey]

Hello? You don't see the confirmation bias problem here?

You actually have the "problem". On the one hand, I have people who happily pay for my listening skills, in particular my very fine A/B listening skills ... 1/4 db here, 1/2 db there ... and on the other you're here trying to convince yourself and others that I have some deficiencies in critical listening.

The GS1000s may not be the best or the worst, but mine changed dramatically over time, that's a fact. They were chocked and sound like a nice phone now. Were I to buy phones again, I'm not sure I'd bother with them. But they do they job very nicely, now opened up.

I think I'll take Alan Shaw's word over yours with regards to break in.

Don't know him ... seems to be a designer. So you "trust" a guy that makes a driver that needs no break in to tell you that speaker break in is what? Overrated? I'll trust my ears and the designers of drivers that do break in! But mostly my ears.

Head Case .... correctly titled forum. Getting more entertaining now, however. This may be the largest ratio of forum-cranks-to-helpful human beings on the internet.

[Beefy]

You actually have the "problem". On the one hand, I have people who happily pay for my listening skills, in particular my very fine A/B listening skills ... 1/4 db here, 1/2 db there ... and on the other you're here trying to convince yourself and others that I have some deficiencies in critical listening.

When you rely solely on your training and reputation, rather than critically self-examining your own skills and opinions, it only leads to mediocrity.

[lucey]

You're using your headphones for as a specific tool. You seem to like them for that. Good deal. If I understand you correctly, you're look to add to/replace your GS1000 with PS1000. I'm doubtful that any of us has listened to both for 400 hours in order to answer your question re comparative break-in time. With the exception of postjack, I'm not sure we have too many members that are fans of the the GS1000, and I'm not sure we have any that still own the PS1000. If you were looking for different headphones that might be revealing of the pops and clicks and anything else that might interest you in your mastering adventures, we might be able to give you some ideas, but that's about it.

Thank you very much.

What were your (the consensus) impressions of the GS and the PS? To me the GS is scooped, but other than that it's resolute and does the job.

What are some of the favorite headphones around here. I'm not shopping but interested in your opinions.

[boomana]

I've not experienced any headphone changing significantly after the first 100 hours, not to say that some don't, but I've not heard it, and my critical listening skills are fairly adept when I bother, though I don't make my living listening. I'm still trying to understand if there is actually a question here. Do you want PS1000s? Is break-in time your main concern? Point of curiosity? Are you willing to consider other choices?

EDIT: sorry, I missed your last post where there was a question.

[lucey]

When you rely solely on your training and reputation, rather than critically self-examining your own skills and opinions, it only leads to mediocrity.

Thanks for your input, but again, WTF? Are you talking to yourself? It seems so as it makes no sense to me.

I don't know anything about mediocrity in listening. I have no training or rep other than my skills, as I'm self taught and not in a major market ... and yet I win work from the most known in my field every week, so my listening is just fine thanks. I stopped fretting about confirmation bias a long time ago. My goal now is to spend less time A/Bing and more time enjoying life, as I trust my hearing more than ever.

I came here to save time and am wasting it, I'm afraid. Perhaps I should have been more basic in my post.

IMPLIED QUESTION FROM FIRST POST WAS: Did the people who dislike the GS 1000s give them 300 or 400 hours? Same question to the PS users. The GS sounded broken for a long time, so I'd get it if the haters gave up.

[Asr]

I noticed that you had a sig before and you don't now, most likely to hide behind the innate anonymity of the Internet and I would guess so that potential clients can't find your posts here to find out what kind of a person you are.

So I'm going to repeat the name & studio link you had in your sig: Brian Lucey, Magic Garden Mastering: Welcome to Magic Garden Mastering

[The Monkey]

I don't know anything about mediocrity in listening. I have no training or rep other than my skills, as I'm self taught and not in a major market ... and yet I win work from the most known in my field every week, so my listening is just fine thanks.

For someone who purportedly makes his living based on listening you sure do plenty of braying.

[boomana]

The only headphones that interest me after being lucky enough to either hear or own pretty much everything are:

Dynamic: Sony R10s (I sold mine in favor of my current rig) and Qualias (I would recommend neither for your purpose) and maybe the CD3000 (these might serve you well), Grado HP1 or 2.

Electrostatic: Stax Omegas and O2MK1, but with a beefy aftermarket amp.

Ortho: the new Audeze LCD2. These were pretty freaking impressive with the few rigs I heard them in , though my time with them is limited. Scary good graphs to back them up. I'd take one of these for accuracy as well as just damn good listening over the GS1000 or PS1000 any day.

Balanced armature: JH Audio 3A/16. IEMs, yes, but holy shit. These are stunningly good, and you can tweak the sound you want through DSP. Astonishing imaging with pinpoint accuracy. I'm a tone freak, and loved what I heard, and I'm no pushover.

As far as the GS1000 and PS1000 go, I'm the wrong person to ask. I have a very small head, and could never get a proper fit (had to hold them up to my ears), so can't comment accurately on what the heck they sound like, though I found the PS1000 too bass heavy, even with a poor fit, and the GS1000 were new, so I'll leave that be.

Edited June 21, 2010 by boomana
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[Beefy]

Thanks for your input, but again, WTF? Are you talking to yourself? It seems so as it makes no sense to me.

Alright, let me explain it slowly......

You come across as an arrogant, cocksure individual. Your opinions on the burn in on the GS100 started with assumption and hope. You subsequently 'confirm' these assumptions based on a skill in which you have extreme faith - and you react rather violently when this skill is challenged.

So ask yourself this honestly...... what ongoing training/skill building/self assessment do you do to keep yourself sharp? Are you absolutely sure that you can overcome any preconceptions you have that challenge what you hear?