Stop bitching

[hungrych]

Enough is enough. At first everyone had to get it out of their system which is fine, but this crap has gone on long enough. Do you think people really want to read thread after thread gangbanging rsa or some idiot on head-fi? Even after the most annoying head-fier thread was locked nobody seems to get the message, and instead start threads that either turn into or are indirectly criticizing head-fi or it's members in some way.

Do you people think you're so damn better than head-fi? I have news for you, reading your stupid whining about head-fi is worse than just going out and reading head-fi itself. The signal to noise ratio is getting absurd in here. It's an insult to Reks and tkam, who put so much effort into making a better headphone site.

I understand that you disagree with various things about the headphone world, but it's pretty obvious everyone here is aware of it already, so stop bitching about it and contribute something constructive. If you don't you might as well go back to head-fi.

[Grand Enigma]

am I the only one that sees the irony in this post?

[Dusty Chalk]

Enough is enough. At first everyone had to get it out of their system which is fine, but this crap has gone on long enough. Do you think people really want to read thread after thread gangbanging rsa or some idiot on head-fi? Even after the most annoying head-fier thread was locked nobody seems to get the message, and instead start threads that either turn into or are indirectly criticizing head-fi or it's members in some way.

Do you people think you're so damn better than head-fi? I have news for you, reading your stupid whining about head-fi is worse than just going out and reading head-fi itself. The signal to noise ratio is getting absurd in here. It's an insult to Reks and tkam, who put so much effort into making a better headphone site.

I understand that you disagree with various things about the headphone world, but it's pretty obvious everyone here is aware of it already, so stop bitching about it and contribute something constructive. If you don't you might as well go back to head-fi.

So...what does that make you, bitcher of bitching, "bitch^2"?

And yes, I realize the irony here is that that automatically makes me "bitch^3".

I have found, that if the discussion is not to your liking, bitching about it accomplishes nothing, other than to raise the noise-to-signal ratio. Your best bet is to start discusssions of the variety in which you are interested in hearing about.

[Dusty Chalk]

am I the only one that sees the irony in this post?

Apparently not (my previous post was made in ignorance of this one).

[TheSloth]

Problem is that if one starts 'normal' head-fi type threads here, there just isn't the user base to get more than 1 or 2 interested or useful responses. The only kinds of threads that will get any real momentum with only 200 or so members are ones that interest all members, i.e. bad feelings about head-fi (or RSA).

Though, I've stopped reading head-fi over the last 2 weeks, except to buy and sell things, so it would be nice to find more things of interest here. But then again, I can't think of anything headphone related to talk about. I've heard basically every headphone available and am not interested in a new amp or source, so I'm pretty much out! If anyone has any great ideas, go ahead!

[xand1x]

I do agree with this comment. However, I must say that alot of the threads started on this forum were necessary. Many of us were not aware of certain manufacturing faults of RSA and other manufacturers until they were brought up here. For this information I am grateful. However, I will be honest and say that i've found myself browsing head-case less frequently than head-fi, and not because I think head-fi is inherently better. It's just that although there are idiots, useless threads, fanboyism, and censorship on head-fi I find more substance there. I am aware that this is a new forum so substance in head-fi's favour is a given (more threads available, more members, more activity) . Nevertheless, there is some truth in the fact that when I browse head-case I do see alot of complaining and controversy over the politics of head-fi. Not to say that this aspect should be removed from head-case entirely, but as stated above, it can get to a point where things become overbearing. I was hoping that head-case would be a better head-fi in the sense that we would be able to say what we want (which we can, and this is good) and have the types of discussions related to the hobby we are all so interested in, without abusing the freedom to 'express' our concerns. Unfortunately, I cannot judge others because I haven't given too much to this forum in the area of useful information or threads, but will seriously consider doing so if I see threads that warrant a useful reply. Until then, I will be a lurker.

[JBLoudG20]

This forum has more experienced members, who know what the hell they are talking about, and for me, that is what give a leg-up. However, as stated, there just isn't the user base here. This forum is basically a 'clone' (here I use clone loosely, moreso implying that the main topic is the same) of the big site. IMO, this forum will never get the userbase that Head-Fi has. This is good, and this is bad at the same time. Good, in the fact that there are far less idiots here, bad in that many less users will ever see these topics.

When it comes down to opinions, I take this forum's thoughts far more to heart. I posted my "Should I sell it all" thread here for a reason: I trusted what you all would tell me. So far, (minus the ear infection I just got the other day) my ER4P has been spectacular. Where as, my first post on H-F... I was reccomended to purchase the Senn HD212

I do agree about the RSA comment, though. Head-Fi is ALL fanboys regarding Ray Samuels. Before lurking the IRC channel, and reading this, I though Ray made awesome products. After looking at some of the data and comments provided by a few individuals, I have formed my own opinion about him, which I could not have done on Head-Fi.

I'm also VERY against the governmental aspects of Head-Fi including its ruler. For a site where the admin is pulling profits, the product sure is of sub-par quality. Damn it the free forum I run is more stable and reliable than that site.

[Post]

personally i'd rather see the release valve here than over there. and being concentrated over here ups the entertainment factor, so there's always a need to check both forums

[aerius]

Enough is enough. At first everyone had to get it out of their system which is fine, but this crap has gone on long enough. Do you think people really want to read thread after thread gangbanging rsa or some idiot on head-fi? Even after the most annoying head-fier thread was locked nobody seems to get the message, and instead start threads that either turn into or are indirectly criticizing head-fi or it's members in some way.

I admit that Ass-raping the head-fi morons is starting to get old, which is why I haven't done it in a while. RSA however, deserves every bit of abuse he's getting. His designs, if we can be generous enough to call them that, are flawed at best and a goddamn safety hazard to boot. Combined with his questionable business practices he deserves to be exposed and ridiculed at every opportunity.

Do you people think you're so damn better than head-fi? I have news for you, reading your stupid whining about head-fi is worse than just going out and reading head-fi itself. The signal to noise ratio is getting absurd in here. It's an insult to Reks and tkam, who put so much effort into making a better headphone site.

I can't speak for others, but I know we're better than Head-fi, the content is there and it's slowly building itself. It'll take time though, Rome wasn't built in a day afterall. The bitching stays in the Casino and RSA threads and most of the rest is pretty much good content. Take a look through the Headphone forum, the Amp forum, Speakers, DIY, Sources, it's all filled with good stuff. Now go look on Head-fi, same fucking threads for the 10 millionth time, over & over & over, getting worse with each day. "Best $50 headphone", "I just got a XXXXXX and it's the best shit ever!", "I want an amp for my HD-650", "I need a $200 DAC", "where do I get OPA627's?", same shit every day for the last year or two. Not to mention the fucktards & shills. Great signal to noise there. I'm lucky if I can find a single worthwhile thread on the first page over there.

I understand that you disagree with various things about the headphone world, but it's pretty obvious everyone here is aware of it already, so stop bitching about it and contribute something constructive. If you don't you might as well go back to head-fi.

I'm working on it. I like to think I've contributed some good stuff, but there's always room for improvement.

[nmculbreth]

Enough is enough. At first everyone had to get it out of their system which is fine, but this crap has gone on long enough. Do you think people really want to read thread after thread gangbanging rsa or some idiot on head-fi? Even after the most annoying head-fier thread was locked nobody seems to get the message, and instead start threads that either turn into or are indirectly criticizing head-fi or it's members in some way.

Do you people think you're so damn better than head-fi? I have news for you, reading your stupid whining about head-fi is worse than just going out and reading head-fi itself. The signal to noise ratio is getting absurd in here. It's an insult to Reks and tkam, who put so much effort into making a better headphone site.

I understand that you disagree with various things about the headphone world, but it's pretty obvious everyone here is aware of it already, so stop bitching about it and contribute something constructive. If you don't you might as well go back to head-fi.

Judging by the most popular threads on this message board most people do want to read Head-Fi / RSA related topics. Personally I don't really see the virtue of spending time on message board which is seemingly dedicated to whining about / commenting on a different message board but as always different strokes or different folks. I check in periodically to see if anything new is happening but it always just seems like more of the same old thing...

[tiberian]

as long as whats inside the casino remains inside i guess we are fine...

bitching is a part of life.

[philodox]

Listen, we are not ALLOWED to bitch over there. If you don't like it stay out of those threads.

[Chrysanthemum]

Listen, we are not ALLOWED to bitch over there. If you don't like it stay out of those threads.

Yeah, what he said.

[Mister X]

Listen, we are not ALLOWED to bitch over there. If you don't like it stay out of those threads.

That is of the major problems with that forum.

We want you to donate money "to help keep the site running" but we don't care what you think.

Complain about the forum and we will delete your thread.... complain about it enough times and we will ban you.

Pretty absurd isn't it?

[hungrych]

Some people seem to think that if we aren't constantly reminded of the problems with head-fi we'll all forget about them. Every single person on this site is fully aware of them, the only thing that these comments amount to now is endless whining and bashing.

I can't understand why when we finally have a great circle of people who trust each other and get along great who we can ask for any kind of reccommendation or just bs with, people seem more interested in dragging head-fi's problems over here instead of enjoying not having to deal with them.

[Mister X]

I can't understand why when we finally have a great circle of people who trust each other and get along great who we can ask for any kind of reccommendation or just bs with, people seem more interested in dragging head-fi's problems over here instead of enjoying not having to deal with them.

I can't understand why you think it is your place to tell the other members of this forum that they should stop bitching about Head-fi and contribute something constructive.

When did you become the constructive post police?

And. please, while you are typing a reply to this line of crap please indicate to me which is worse.

Somebody bitching about head-fi or somebody bitching about people bitching about head-fi.

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.

[grawk]

When the other option is that we'll start locking bitch threads because they're fucking annoying, it's a valid thing to post.

[hungrych]

People have every right to say whatever they want here, but they also don't realize how incredibly annoying it is to browse a forum filled mostly with complaints about head-fi. What's the point?

The difference is that I don't make every other post a complaint or saturate the forum with criticizms of head-fi. I'm not trying to be the police, I'm stating how I feel, and I know many others agree with me.

[JBLoudG20]

When the other option is that we'll start locking bitch threads because they're fucking annoying, it's a valid thing to post.

People have every right to say whatever they want here

Seems to me, this place is getting just as bad as the other place.

[en480c4]

I guess I'm confused... ???

Since "that thread" was locked, the only thing that you mentioned in your first post that's happened since were further discussions of the technical merit of the B52 and someone who rarely posts here bragged about pissing of a 15 year old Head-Fi'er.

I guess I don't see the problem. The previous discussion was primarily limited to one thread, and there's been very little since IMO.

I for one would love to see enough traffic to keep discussions going, but it's just not here yet. So people feel the need to vent... What's the big deal? There's not a whole lot of browsing that can happen here... it's a few posts an hour and rarely do I need to look past the Recent Threads at the first page. So again, it doesn't bother me.

[Dusty Chalk]

When the other option is that we'll start locking bitch threads because they're fucking annoying, it's a valid thing to post.

But...but...(sputters)...but...based on that reasoning ("...because they're fucking annoying..."), then you'd have to lock this thread, too! So that would be an invalid thing to post, neh? Meh, I'm getting dizzy with that kind of logic.

[NotoriousBIG_PJ]

I miss all the bitching. Unlock that thread and lets go at it again.

Biggie.

[archosman]

I miss all the bitching. Unlock that thread and lets go at it again.

Biggie.

Same here. I found it pretty entertaining at times.

If you don't like it then stay out of those threads. It's just like television... if you don't like what you're watching turn the channel.

[JBLoudG20]

Same here. I found it pretty entertaining at times.

If you don't like it then stay out of those threads. It's just like television... if you don't like what you're watching turn the channel.

That is exactly the way that it should be. I realize this is public domain, and run by a private party, so free speech doesn't apply... but one of the main complaints in this thread and in general concerning head-fi, is that we are NOT allowed to speak our minds. We are censored there, and now we are censored here. It is up to the discression to the mods what is considered 'annoying' and therefore deserved the lock. Irony...

[tkam]

We are censored there, and now we are censored here. It is up to the discression to the mods what is considered 'annoying' and therefore deserved the lock. Irony...

It's real simple, that thread was locked because we do not want headcase to turn into a place that is used soley for the purpose of bitching about head-fi and its members. That thread was leading heacase down that path and I won't let it happen. Also you may have noticed an increase in the number of informative threads since that thread was locked. Coincidence? I don't think so.