Craig Sawyers Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 The main problem back in the day was that phono stages were generally crap. Indifferent RIAA accuracy, poor overload margin, and high distortion. I have a circuit of a '70's period ortofon MC phono stage somewhere that had an array of parallel 680uF 3V tantalum bead capacitors between the cartridge and the (100 ohm) load. Ugh. Ugh, ugh uuughhh! And it was not cheap. An even modest quality phono stage now runs rings round that sort of nonsense. 2
Pars Posted January 26, 2018 Report Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) Yep to both you and WInk, though my impressions of the Stanton vs. the Shure were reversed. I wish I wouldn't have tossed the Shure (maybe I didn't? Hmm, have to look). I always liked that cart on a Thorens (TD160... never tried it on the TD320 I have now). Back in the early '80s, when my wife and I had first married and moved to the Dallas area, I had brought my beloved (at the time) Infinity Monitors (Walsh tweeter) with me, but nothing to run them with. I went out and bought a Hafler amp/preamp (big stuff back then ). After going thru a crap Sony Linear turntable that liked to drag the cart across the grooves periodically, I bought the Thorens 320 (online out of NY). I bought a HO MC cart that I liked a lot, think it was an Apogee? Searching I find no such cart or info about it. At any rate, it was a good sounding cart, even thru the crap phono stages back then. Edited January 26, 2018 by Pars
JimL Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Perhaps you're thinking of one of the Adcom HO MC cartridges. They had a line of them for a few years, got good reviews in Stereophile by Anthony Cordesman IIRC.
Pars Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 No. I'm pretty sure it was Apogee, but it has been awhile. I think I do (or my brother did) have an Adcom around.
JimL Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 A look on the VInylEngine cartridge database failed to turn up any Apogee. Perhaps a look at that website will refresh your memory: https://www.vinylengine.com/cartridge_database.php
Pars Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 I’d looked there 2 or more years ago. I’m probably just not remembering it correctly, but it wasn’t an Adcom. Thanks for the suggestion though!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
morphsci Posted February 11, 2018 Report Posted February 11, 2018 I would guess it was an Audio Technica. They were really popular back in the day, and they sounded great.
wink Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 Years after I gave up vinyl, Dynavector MM cartridges were pretty popular, and they're still going. Seems that they've been doing MC caretridges since 1975 http://www.dynavector.com/ 1
wink Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 Interesting. Probably more so to Craig Sawyers.... https://www.hificritic.com/messenger.html
wink Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 Interesting posts are #5 and #6 http://www.harbeth.co.uk/usergroup/forum/the-science-of-audio/the-ground-rules-of-proper-audio-evaluation/75011-technical-facts-vs-subjective-enthusiasm-explain 1
Craig Sawyers Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 7 hours ago, wink said: Interesting. Probably more so to Craig Sawyers.... https://www.hificritic.com/messenger.html Huh?
wink Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 Wut, a pom not interested in the history of limey hi-fi mags from the old dart....? who'da thunk....? ...just not cricket .....!!
Craig Sawyers Posted February 12, 2018 Report Posted February 12, 2018 Oh - OK. Geddit. I was thinking about how you could possibly know that I know Paul Messenger and Martin Colloms, or that I was CTO of Wharfedale in the early 90's. I clearly overthought your comment 1 2
wink Posted February 13, 2018 Report Posted February 13, 2018 Nope, didn't know, but had suspicions......... 1
johnwmclean Posted February 14, 2018 Report Posted February 14, 2018 OK boys steady yourselves.... Oh Yeah! It’s my new toy, I haven't got my grubby hands on it yet, it’s making it’s way from Portugal. 14
Grahame Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 (edited) Meanwhile ... https://hdvinyl.org/ "In 2016, Mr. Loibl had this crazy idea to make vinyl records with lasers :-) We simply called it HD Vinyl." Really? Edited April 13, 2018 by Grahame
recstar24 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, Grahame said: Meanwhile ... https://hdvinyl.org/ "In 2016, Mr. Loibl had this crazy idea to make vinyl records with lasers :-) We simply called it HD Vinyl." Really? Really. Read about it at axpona. The weird thing is you have to convert the original recording source to digital, which then gets converted into some kind of 3D topographic map which then feeds the laser based cutter which then makes the stamper ill take my non HD AAA sourced vinyl just fine. 2
Grahame Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 Pitchfork article https://pitchfork.com/news/high-definition-vinyl-is-happening-possibly-as-early-as-next-year/ The slashdot comments seem to echo your view https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/04/12/2320221/high-definition-vinyl-is-coming-as-early-as-next-year a couple of choice ones "This scheme is a shoe-in for the 2018 "polished turd of the year" award." " Or.. now hear me out on this one... or ... we could just, you know, send the digitally converted audio, you know, without converting it back into a bumpy piece of plastic. I know this might sound radical, but it seems to me that converting analog sound to digital format then to a digital 3d map then to a laser-cut stamper then to a piece of bumpy vinyl then to a vibrating stylus and into a varying electrical current to drive an amplification system to run the speakers that you listen to might just be a little more complicated than just taking the digital format for storage and transport and converting that back into analog sound at playback." 1
recstar24 Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 Yah. I mean it makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you get the noise floor a little bit lower? And maybe I guess you technically can squeeze in a little more dynamic range? For whatever those gains are, I think the fidelity loss due to all the extraneous conversions is totally not worth it. With that said, digitally sourced vinyl can sound good, such as when they use a hi-res digital copy of the original analog tape and use that copy for the stamper, but the whole HD vinyl thing is wacky to say the least.
dsavitsk Posted April 13, 2018 Report Posted April 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Grahame said: I know this might sound radical, but it seems to me that converting analog sound to digital format then to a digital 3d map then to a laser-cut stamper then to a piece of bumpy vinyl then to a vibrating stylus and into a varying electrical current to drive an amplification system to run the speakers that you listen to might just be a little more complicated than just taking the digital format for storage and transport and converting that back into analog sound at playback." You could make it slightly more complicated with the help of a laser turntable. 1
recstar24 Posted April 14, 2018 Report Posted April 14, 2018 3 hours ago, dsavitsk said: You could make it slightly more complicated with the help of a laser turntable. What a disaster lol. But apparently the Japanese company is still selling them at 15k a pop!
Knuckledragger Posted May 1, 2018 Report Posted May 1, 2018 https://www.shure.co.uk/company/press/2018/phono-statement Well, THAT sucks. Shure has been the de facto choice for vinyl DJs for decades. 2
recstar24 Posted May 1, 2018 Report Posted May 1, 2018 4 hours ago, Knuckledragger said: https://www.shure.co.uk/company/press/2018/phono-statement Well, THAT sucks. Shure has been the de facto choice for vinyl DJs for decades. Ortofon FTW
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