JoaMat Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) / Edited November 12, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Which one is that again? If it was me that suggested that, then I know which one... It has to do with the (lack of) stability with a base-biased transistor (emitter current isn't temperature stable). It would be even better to use a different design that isn't so dependent on transistor parameters (I.e. Beta) (collector-feedback perhaps?) I think what happened with the original is that higher case temperatures than we see in the DIY version further inflated the gain of the transistor (this is a bit of a stretch, admittedly) which made the circuit work more consistently. I think the result would be more stability, but I guess I am the few people that sees this part of the circuit as not being robust - likely because I seem to have the most problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Thanks for your response. Edited November 11, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 The darlington pairs of q32, q33 and q34, q35/q36 servo have emitter degeneration which dictates the gain and more or less stabilizes it with regard to temperature and base current. FJPF2145 has much lower beta compared to the original 2sc3675 but it's still adequate in this situation. I think the choice of heatsinking is mainly from deciding how much heat you're comfortable with. On the original DIY T2, Q35 and Q36 are heatsinked. It wouldn't hurt to heatsink Q32, too. Q33 Q34 don't need them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Thanks a lot. Edited November 11, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) On the original DIY T2, Q35 and Q36 are heatsinked. I missed that you wrote original DIY T2. Edited November 11, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) / Edited November 11, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted January 7, 2015 Report Share Posted January 7, 2015 i went back to the pictures to make sure all of the parts on heatsinks in the original are on the common heatsink bar in the diy-T2 there are 2sc3675's with no heatsinks in the original, and they are that way on the diy-T2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 11, 2015 Report Share Posted January 11, 2015 (edited) After reading Walt Jung’s article Audio Current Regulator I think there are reasons to believe that the original output tube CCS has better performance than the 10M90S CCS. According to the same article one can believe that cascoded 10M90S CCS is better than not cascoded. Edited November 12, 2015 by JoaMat 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimL Posted January 12, 2015 Report Share Posted January 12, 2015 Don't know if a 10M90S cascoded with itself is better than a single 10M90S, but a 10M90S upper device cascoded with a DN2540 lower device measures about 1000 fold higher impedance compared with the 10M90S alone - > 160 megohms vs about 170 kilohms. Whether that makes an audible difference in the T2, I don't know. My wild ass guess is it makes more of a difference in a lower current design than in the T2, where the standing output current is already overkill. Beyond a certain point, overkill just means the rubble bounces higher (always wanted to use that line ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoaMat Posted January 13, 2015 Report Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) / Edited November 11, 2015 by JoaMat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hi folks. Been awhile... deepak stoked the hunger for finally gathering some of the parts for the original boards that I have. I missed the boat with some parts that were being sold in the classifieds unfortunately, but I'm looking to buy parts from a guy who posted on head-fi. I understand there's no way to guarantee the parts are genuine based on a picture... but was wondering if anyone would be willing to comment if these look genuine. the guy says they were purchased from singapore in 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeP Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Those look like the real deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Thanks I'll reply to your PM as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 suggest you buy the transistor tester meter on ebay, cheap and the best way to test them before you stuff them in the boards and then find out they are not real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Will do, thanks for the advice. Is there any mention of what to look for in buying a meter in the thread or in other diy threads? Btw thanks for the pics you PM'd me early last year Haven't seen them until this week. I'm glad that it's living up to a decent purpose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 tester is duoyi dy294 iirc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 yep that is the one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 what are your plans for the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 icarium has one of my cases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I have 2 cases, 2 sets of original boards. Originally I planned on trading a kit to a builder to get mine built. It sounds like I should look to acquiring group buy boards or if you guys ever produce new boards please reach out Also talking to GeorgeP it sounds like besides transistors there are resistors and capacitors that are becoming hard to score too :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 No capacitors or resistor issues that I'm aware of. These are generic parts so there are always subs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Thanks Spritzer. Any advice on 2SA1486 or is bdent the spot? I'm probably going to hit the 200 quantity price break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted January 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I've pretty much cleared out all the Japanese sellers at this point but you don't need that many. Use KSA1156's in the front end so you just need a handful per amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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