Fitz Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 Since nobody seems to have really mentioned it, I'll point out that the K1000 used in the shootout was one of the high serial number ones, which have already been shown to have measurably less bass and lower midrange than the earlier ones. It is a much bigger difference than you'll have by using a different source and amp, so it's rather important to keep in mind when doing comparisons.
Duggeh Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 One would imagine though, that a 2xxx K1000 is still, recognisably, a K1000 when compared to an 11xxx K1000. The differences cannot be so large, one would, again, I assume, that one would find them to be so different from one another as different instances of the same model that one would find one of them in preference to another headphone which is not a K1000 compared to that other headphone where the original, other, K1000 is regarded as inferior.
Fitz Posted August 3, 2009 Report Posted August 3, 2009 (edited) One would assume so, until one listens to both side by side, or reads/looks at the measured differences, or thinks about the numerous other headphones AKG has done the same thing on. EDIT: Until I did the first two, I was skeptical of the possibility just based on the third (as until then I was only aware of hearsay on the matter with little in way of specifics), but the differences were quite clear and unmistakeable. I happen to fall into the category that prefers the sonic signature of the first version, and would more likely reach for my K240 or K401 than the second version K1000. Some people are exactly the opposite, and some prefer neither version. Edited August 4, 2009 by Fitz
swt61 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 agreed, this would be a great project for swt61 If you're implying I should build Duggeh a BHSE, sure you bet. I'm ready for it! No shit! I'd make Smeggy look like Nate, Naaman, Marc and Amb all rolled into one comparitively. One would assume so, until one listens to both side by side, or reads/looks at the measured differences, or thinks about the numerous other headphones AKG has done the same thing on. EDIT: Until I did the first two, I was skeptical of the possibility just based on the third (as until then I was only aware of hearsay on the matter with little in way of specifics), but the differences were quite clear and unmistakeable. I happen to fall into the category that prefers the sonic signature of the first version, and would more likely reach for my K240 or K401 than the second version K1000. Some people are exactly the opposite, and some prefer neither version. I will assume to prefer the opposite of you my friend, as we've already discussed, although I have never heard the two side by side. And only briefly listened to Pete Millets early version in a meet setting a few years back. That said, don't forget that I've already solved the bass issue via your help (or is your old UFW-10 the one in my 5.1 setup?).
Dusty Chalk Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 Since nobody seems to have really mentioned it, I'll point out that the K1000 used in the shootout was one of the high serial number ones, which have already been shown to have measurably less bass and lower midrange than the earlier ones. It is a much bigger difference than you'll have by using a different source and amp, so it's rather important to keep in mind when doing comparisons.I thought they were pretty much all bass light, except for a few in a small range (around 500, IIRC?), but that those were inferior in other ways, which is why they "went back".
Fitz Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 Sauce? Or is this part of the aforementioned hearsay?
spritzer Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 How about a community effort, build a BH for Doug?
luvdunhill Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 How about a community effort, build a BH for Doug? I think Steve is already on it. I heard he was going to use Lignum vitae heatsinks.
Duggeh Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 How about a community effort, build a BH for Doug? Har de har de har.
Fitz Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 The latter, of course. Yeah... after the amount of time and money others and I have put into trying to make some sense of AKG's production changes on their headphones, I'll pretty much only trust empirical evidence or info directly from AKG (and even they've been incorrect at times). How about a community effort, build a BH for Doug? Should I go start the HF thread for it?
spritzer Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 I think Steve is already on it. I heard he was going to use Lignum vitae heatsinks. Sounds like a plan! If he needs any parts then he just has to ask... Should I go start the HF thread for it? DEW EEETTTT!!!!
Duggeh Posted August 4, 2009 Report Posted August 4, 2009 Should I go start the HF thread for it? Part of me is morbidly curious to see what the reaction would be. Another part finds that to be an unwise course of action.
HeadphoneAddict Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 How about a community effort, build a BH for Doug? I'm sad that it wouldn't be for me, but I'd go along with it for him regardless. I still plan to use my BH PCB for my own someday, but I don't have the rest of the parts and have no clue how to read a schematic.
Sherwood Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 Part of me is morbidly curious to see what the reaction would be. Another part finds that to be an unwise course of action. your British restraint is what got us into this mess, Duggeh.
Smeggy Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 Yes indeed there are K1ks and K1ks and my set is apparently one of the primo sets around sonically. I still haven't heard an O2 but my particular set of K1ks are pretty extraordinary. Not lacking in bass fullness, just a bit of extension and the mids/highs are smooth and sweet as long as the amp is upto it.
HeadphoneAddict Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 Yes indeed there are K1ks and K1ks and my set is apparently one of the primo sets around sonically. I still haven't heard an O2 but my particular set of K1ks are pretty extraordinary. Not lacking in bass fullness, just a bit of extension and the mids/highs are smooth and sweet as long as the amp is upto it. Smeggy, can you tell me what the primary differences were between your current K1000 and the ones that you sold which I now own (#1378 )? Thanks!
swt61 Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 And would your current pair be early or later production?
Dusty Chalk Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 And also do you still have your wisdom teeth?
Duggeh Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 I've all my wisdom teeth, two up top and two beneath. And yet I recognise, my mouth says things That aren't so wise. I'm having my two bottom wisdom teeth pulled on the 26th.
Smeggy Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 Smeggy, can you tell me what the primary differences were between your current K1000 and the ones that you sold which I now own (#1378 )? Thanks! The ones I kept have more bass fullness and a smoother overall sound. However, they came with no box, ratty made bananas on the ends, no pigtail or docs and the cages are dented so not really suitable as a pristine trade. I imagine the ones you have are more representative of the general K1k sound which is odd as they are both early sets, yours are *really* early. These are the only two sets I've heard so can't fully comment on what 'normal' really is with a K1k. Other people who have heard them say they are the best sounding K1k they've ever heard. I got them for a reasonable price because of their condition. This set is #4267
Sherwood Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 I listened to them at the Denver meet a fair bit, Larry. They really do sound excellent. If I could have walked out of there with my recabled pair of Smeg's, I'm not sure I would have kept mine. More "fullness" is really the best way to describe it. Great lower-mid weight, and just a very coherent sound. I prefer the high extension and the deep bass weight of my pair to Smeg's, but his wins in the mids. It's also strangely comfortable. Really a great example of the K1K. My pair is also around the 4000#, I believe. I'd have to check.
HeadphoneAddict Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 I listened to them at the Denver meet a fair bit, Larry. They really do sound excellent. If I could have walked out of there with my recabled pair of Smeg's, I'm not sure I would have kept mine. More "fullness" is really the best way to describe it. Great lower-mid weight, and just a very coherent sound. I prefer the high extension and the deep bass weight of my pair to Smeg's, but his wins in the mids. It's also strangely comfortable. Really a great example of the K1K. My pair is also around the 4000#, I believe. I'd have to check. Did you try mine out?
Sherwood Posted August 5, 2009 Report Posted August 5, 2009 Did you try mine out? No, I never had a chance to put them on. It was a hectic meet, and they were in demand.
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