jimmyjames8 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Curious if anyone had already recabled their HD800? As a rule, I had always heard that silver plated copper wire was to be avoided for analog signals. Tends to sound bright and irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Where did you hear such a rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Curious if anyone had already recabled their HD800? As a rule, I had always heard that silver plated copper wire was to be avoided for analog signals. Tends to sound bright and irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Sorry Nate, rules are rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Sorry Nate, rules are rules. Agreed. My rule is I won't dignify blatant stupidity with a real response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 you guys just have tin ears. i bet you can't even hear if a fuse is backwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjames8 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Agreed. My rule is I won't dignify blatant stupidity with a real response. Are you calling me stupid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Are you calling me stupid? If the shovel fits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Are you calling me stupid? I suppose, yes. Stating that there is some "rule" about using silver plated wire for analog signals and that it inherently sounds "bright and irritating" is fracken nonsense. I guess I just broke my own rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Curious if anyone had already recabled their HD800? As a rule, I had always heard that silver plated copper wire was to be avoided for analog signals. Tends to sound bright and irritating. Where did you hear such a rule? From ipodbj who is not bright but makes up for it by being irritating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyjames8 Posted June 24, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Quote from Audioquest white paper on cable theory: "Material Quality also dramatically affects the performance of cables and their terminations. By material quality we mean both the intrinsic quality of the metal, such as gold, nickel, brass, aluminum, copper or silver, and we mean the way the metal has been refined and processed. Pure silver is the very best performing material for audio, video or digital. However, if silver is not carefully processed, even low grade copper will sound better. Silver has also earned a confused reputation because sometimes the term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 cable mfr's thoughts Credible source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 As for you calling me stupid...I hope to meet you in person someday soon.How about you take a week to think about that comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Quote from Audioquest white paper on cable theory: "Material Quality also dramatically affects the performance of cables and their terminations. By material quality we mean both the intrinsic quality of the metal, such as gold, nickel, brass, aluminum, copper or silver, and we mean the way the metal has been refined and processed. Pure silver is the very best performing material for audio, video or digital. However, if silver is not carefully processed, even low grade copper will sound better. Silver has also earned a confused reputation because sometimes the term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 do you need a time out? Already given, anyone who takes the discourse that went on in this thread seriously enough to make even a veiled threat like that gets some quality time to think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 (edited) do you need a time out? No I think he's a scarecrow, so he needs a brain. Edited June 24, 2009 by morphsci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Quote from Audioquest white paper on cable theory: Oh boy... My first thought on reading that Sennheiser was supplying the 800 with silver plated copper cable was that they were using it as a tone control, treble boost if you will. I have not heard the the 800 as yet. <snip> Cables cannot "boost" anything... amplification or gain is required for that. Cutting (opposite of boost) would also be difficult without a little box of passive parts such as MIT uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 No I think he's a scarecrow, so he needs a brain. The forum software, while powerful, cannot help him in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The forum software, while powerful, cannot help him in this regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadhead Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Coil a few loops of the HD800 cable. The inductance created would probably have a 1000x greater affect on the sound than the silver plating of the copper wire Heretic!!!!! I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 In Jimmy's defense, I am a believer in cable materials, and I find the term "stupid" insulting. And even before I heard differences for myself, there is a lot of literature catering to those of us who want to believe, I don't think it's necessarily stupidity which causes us to fall for it. From the skeptics' perspective, "gullibility" might be more appropriate term. The veiled threat was uncalled for, though, Jimmy, I ain't defending that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Coil a few loops of the HD800 cable. The inductance created would probably have a 1000x greater affect on the sound than the silver plating of the copper wire And probably still not make a detectable change to the sound. I'll have to do a little experiment when I have time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 What bothers me are the statements that assume that it is undisputed that cables make a difference. I really don't think they make a difference, and even when I have perceived such a difference (my Senn Cardas v. stock), I have generally believed it to be placebo. However, regardless of my position, I acknowledge and agree that there is another side to this debate. But there are folks on other sites who simply regurgitate, without further reflection, the claims manufacturers make (which we must reasonably agree are outright misleading in many instances) and/or the claims of uninformed posters who make up for their ignorance by stating opinions as fact and doing it repeatedly. That people believe that cables make a difference is perfectly reasonable even though I disagee with it. That people assume that it is universally accepted that cables make a difference is problematic to me, especially when that assumption is reinforced by certain know-nothing blowhards elsewhere (this is not a reference to you, Jimmy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The statements that assume it is undisputed that cables do not make a difference are just as bothering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 The statements that assume it is undisputed that cables do not make a difference are just as bothering. That makes sense and I think my post applies equally well (or poorly if you disagree with the basic premise) to that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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