The Monkey Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I've been avoiding the DA11. Maybe I shouldn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopstretch Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 More than four DACs in-house at a time is a venial sin, my son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I hate gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I've been avoiding the DA11. Maybe I shouldn't? Maybe you shouldn't DEW IT!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jp11801 Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I've been avoiding the DA11. Maybe I shouldn't? my short time with the DA11 at RMAF left me with a very positive impression of it, DEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 you are bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamwhisper Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 I've been avoiding the DA11. Maybe I shouldn't? If it's anything like the DA10, you shouldn't. The higher end Lavry's just might be really good tho. Looking forward to your impressions of the P-diddy 1000, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cankin Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Yeah he says something like current DACs don't process the higher rates fast enough, so they actually sound worse than well-done 24/96. so the upsampling rate of CA 740c, 840c (24/384) and Simaudio Andromeda (24/705.6) are a marketing thing only?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpedo Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 If it's anything like the DA10, you shouldn't. The higher end Lavry's just might be really good tho. Looking forward to your impressions of the P-diddy 1000, I haven't heard the DA10, but own the DA11. It's a nice DAC which sounds better than I expected. The headphone output works fine with low impedance cans, but I don't like it very much with the Senns, though it sounds clean, maybe "too much". IMO it sounds more "natural" than analytical, it doesn't seem a pro unit. In addition it sounds quite consistent no matter if you feed it using Toslink, AES/EBU, SPDIF or USB. I find it listenable even using the optical connection, so go figure. Mr Monkey, I think you might enjoy it, but you already have many good DACs. I'm not very sure it will "outperform" them though I'm quite sure you won't find it grossly inferior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Looks like the Antelope Zodiac is available now at Sweetwater. I have dealt with Sweetwater in the past and it has always been a good experience. I have to keep an eye out for the Zodiac+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamwhisper Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I haven't heard the DA10, but own the DA11. It's a nice DAC which sounds better than I expected. The headphone output works fine with low impedance cans, but I don't like it very much with the Senns, though it sounds clean, maybe "too much". IMO it sounds more "natural" than analytical, it doesn't seem a pro unit. In addition it sounds quite consistent no matter if you feed it using Toslink, AES/EBU, SPDIF or USB. I find it listenable even using the optical connection, so go figure. Mr Monkey, I think you might enjoy it, but you already have many good DACs. I'm not very sure it will "outperform" them though I'm quite sure you won't find it grossly inferior. it sounds really similar to the Bel Canto DAC3, except the Bel Canto is more transparent and has way nicer extended highs. DAC3 sounds warm, whereas DA10 is more neutral, and also lacks some dynamic range in comparison as well as not quite as much lower level detail. Hardly fair because the DAC3 is twice the price, but I'd say it's worth it, especially if you wanted the neutrality of the Lavry. Yeah I thought the headamp was decent. When I was audtioning the DA10 and the Electrocompaniet ECD1 the Lavry suffered greatly for looking like a piece 'o brown log Speaking of DAC's. I'm really liking Mr Apogee MiniDAC, it doesn't really have to apologize much as it sounds nicely musical. I have a bit of a problem with the bass and how its a little loose and could extend deeper but it's starting to grow on me. It's sound sig is what I consider enjoyable, warm with nice PRaT. I prefer it to the Lavry, and even the Bel Canto because I find it more to my taste. I think my dream DAC at the moment is a Processor 3, but I could last for a while just with the Apogee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Looks like the Antelope Zodiac is available now at Sweetwater. I have dealt with Sweetwater in the past and it has always been a good experience. I have to keep an eye out for the Zodiac+ You buy it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 You buy it now. I didn't like the whole "we have no idea when this will really be available" text in that add or the fact that they don't have a really real product photo yet. For a newish company with a totally new product I want proof it really exists, kthxbye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Yikes, I thought that sucker was ready to ship. Jim...you can hold off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I didn't like the whole "we have no idea when this will really be available" text in that add or the fact that they don't have a really real product photo yet. For a newish company with a totally new product I want proof it really exists, kthxbye. Yikes, I thought that sucker was ready to ship. Jim...you can hold off. I'm pretty sure that text was not there when I first saw the advert. and posted the link. So looks like somebody jumped the gun. They are a fairly well established company in pro-audio but only for several diffrent external clocking devices. Nevertheless, I am not a big fan of vaporware. Anyway Dinny, I am still waiting for the Zodiac+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark baguette Posted December 12, 2009 Report Share Posted December 12, 2009 I've been looking at all the antelope stuff at youtube, and have been really impressed with the 10M atomic clock. Whats been confusing to me is that they've been using it in combination with another clock, in most cases the 'trinity' which is quartz based. I didnt understand the logic behind buying the Trinity if you're going to turn right around and use a better clock immediately after. I've been emailing support about possibly using the 10M with any of the zodiacs. While it can be done, it doesnt look like it can be done without another go-between device such as the Trinity or the OCX. The 10M only sends out 10Mhz, so it won't work directly to any DAC. I was told they were planning on making a dac with its own built-in atomic clock, but it would probably be at least a year down the road. I'm more interested in getting my hands on the 10M than the zodiac at this point, as it could theoretically benefit any dac w/ clock output. But needing another clock in between kind of puts that out of my reach any time soon. It would be cheaper to pair the zodiac to the OCX than the trinity, but the internal clock in the zodiac is said to be up to trinity's quality (which is better than OCX, I'm told). You dac gurus may have already known all this but it was very unclear to me until now. I still may watch sweetwater for the zodiac gold though, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 The posting of the new Weiss DAC got me thinking about this thread so I went over to Antelope's site, or tried, only to find this message. This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. www.antelopeaudio.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morphsci Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 The base model is supposed to be at Sweetwater next week so I guess we will know by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 This Account Has Been Suspended Please contact the support department as soon as possible, and please have your site name ready. www.antelopeaudio.com Yeah that tends to happen when a company uses a shitty shared hosting account. Probably got booted for some random excess usage, either that or they didn't pay a bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manaox2 Posted January 6, 2010 Report Share Posted January 6, 2010 http://store.antelopeaudio.com/ is still up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skullguise Posted January 7, 2010 Report Share Posted January 7, 2010 Regular site seems back up again as well...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clybourne Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 Hey Guys, the Zodiac Plus can be used with a 10M, but yes you also need another clock in between (OCX or Trinity) and the source must also be clocked to them, as well. This is just a reality of what it takes to design the de-jittering that's taking place. It is shipping very soon. Just showed a demo in Amsterdam of a final unit yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clybourne Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Possibly Igor can answer some questions about why external clocking can sometimes benefit digital audio converters. The discussion centers around "good jitter" vs. "bad jitter" and how some carefully modulated jitter can benefit sound quality. Any other questions about Antelope clocks or dacs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Any other questions about Antelope clocks or dacs? Who are you, exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubliss Posted April 10, 2010 Report Share Posted April 10, 2010 Nate, he is the Antelope rep, he sells their stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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