luvdunhill Posted February 1, 2009 Report Posted February 1, 2009 So, gathering interest for collaboration on KG's Dynafet. The way this would work is quite simple. There would be a group buy on parts as well as the boards. The parts would be supplied by myself and we'd work a deal out for people contributing in the matching efforts and various aspects of specing and acquiring parts. The boards would be the Hitachi version with external heat sinks, using KG's latest board files. Front end would be constructed from devices matched from a pool of 500 2SJ74BL and 500 2SK170BL matched to 20uA accuracy. All devices were pulled from original Toshiba packaging. Actually matched to 10uA with +/- 20uA measurement uncertainty added on top. The will be bonded together using couplers made on a CNC wire-cut machine. See attachment. I think the performance will exceed the single substrate versions due to the better matching characteristics. I also have 50 pairs of 2SJ79/2SK216 that will be need to be matched as well. These sell for around $10 a pair these days. Mine are all from the same batch code purchased in original Renesas packaging. I'm thinking there would be an upfront deposit of $75 per stereo set ($150 balanced) for the devices and matching efforts and a similar arrangement (probably $40 stereo and $80 balanced) for boards. Group buy participation is requisite on some member here "vouching" for you as well as an agreement that this isn't going to happen overnight and there is a lot of work that needs to be done to do this right. Everyone will have some sort of job to do, as this is really a group effort. So, anyone interested?
Salt Peanuts Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Me wish had skills and money to participate.
kevin gilmore Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I'm very interested in the edm cut heatsinks... Did not even think of using an edm that way. Have a brand new edm that i'm going to have to learn. Those don't look edm'd though, unless they were anodized afterwards.
luvdunhill Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I'm very interested in the edm cut heatsinks... Did not even think of using an edm that way. Have a brand new edm that i'm going to have to learn. Those don't look edm'd though, unless they were anodized afterwards. Yes, via edm. Wire cut aluminum then anodized with appropriate tolerances to leave 0.1mm gap for silver epoxy. One side is missing fins so two can be coupled together for a complementary quad / differential input pair (my use would be BT clone). Handy huh? 0.1mm wasn't chosen at random. Thinner than that adhesion is lost, thicker and there is higher thermal resistance. Another interesting point is you can run V grade devices at full dissipation without any drift. Yeah Kevin, I had a problem with this and that circuit I showed you. Edited February 2, 2009 by luvdunhill
kevin gilmore Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I'll definitely take a number of heatsinks. As a quad, it would be cool, but doing a rip up of the layout to get all 4 input fets close to each other might be rough.
justin Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 What is the cost to do it wire EDM? Looks perfect for a small extrusion which would then be cut to length. Or maybe laser cut out of a giant sheet if they do 1/4" thick aluminum
luvdunhill Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Posted February 2, 2009 What is the cost to do it wire EDM? Looks perfect for a small extrusion which would then be cut to length. Or maybe laser cut out of a giant sheet if they do 1/4" thick aluminum I haven't found a place that will do custom extrusions for less than a 1 ton order. I have a feeling that EDM is more accurate than laser cut, as it goes down to ~5um tolerances. Perhaps not needed here, but certainly doesn't hurt. I don't see any reason Kevin you should have to pay for them if this deal gets off the ground, the only issue is the fact that I have limited quantities Of course, a modified Dynafet board would be super cool, but it seems like it would be too hard to do... Specs attached just in case though!
justin Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 i'm guessing that was made as an extrusion because they only have 1 internal hole to keep cost down. by far the greatest cost would be the die, about $1-1.5k
luvdunhill Posted February 2, 2009 Author Report Posted February 2, 2009 i'm guessing that was made as an extrusion huh? no, definitely wire edm.
pabbi1 Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Interested, but not sure the application, or what I am replacing... WTF, I'm in. Again.
Pars Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Interested, but kinda blowin all my play money right now on another dyna creature.
spritzer Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 I have way too many project to add on a Dynafet but I could do with some k389 replacements...
Icarium Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Mmmm.. want! I'd definitely be interested in contributing and helping out in any way possible (Though I have no skillz or equipment :/).
kevin gilmore Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 brand new auto rethreading edm machine
Hopstretch Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 If any member of the HC constructors' club wants to build one of these puppies for fun, or educational purposes, or whatever it is that does motivate you solder sniffers -- but doesn't particularly want to front the cost or keep it for the long haul -- shoot me a PM and we can probably work something out.
Dreadhead Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Yeah I'm interested Like others have said I'd be happy to foot the bill for someone to build one and give to me
n_maher Posted February 2, 2009 Report Posted February 2, 2009 Wish I could help/join in but there's no way I can take on another project right now.
luvdunhill Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 ok, so next step is to estimate the number of channels that will be built so I can get enough parts for everyone. Also, if you are a DIYer, indicate how many channels you'd be willing to build. I think we can accommodate everyone in this thread, including the non-DIYers. Just quote the following list and add your info: name - # channels willing/able to build - # channels wanted to have and hold luvdunhill - 8 - 4
deepak Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 /goes without saying This is going to be a killer headphone amp
luvdunhill Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 /goes without saying This is going to be a killer headphone amp I think so to. Plus it's going to be awesome to get some of these in circulation at meets and what not
Asr Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I don't suppose anyone would be willing to build a Dynafet for me? I'll pay for parts of course, and labor too.
guzziguy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Posted February 4, 2009 I don't suppose anyone would be willing to build a Dynafet for me? I'll pay for parts of course, and labor too. How much will one cost? This looks like a job for Super Rockhopper. I'm sure that Stephen will get right on it after he finished putting together a part list for a source selector for me.
luvdunhill Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 I don't suppose anyone would be willing to build a Dynafet for me? I'll pay for parts of course, and labor too. that's the idea here. Again, no real time frame and I'll have to work out some sort of compensation for the "builders" that's agreeable. Just add your name to the list.
luvdunhill Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Posted February 4, 2009 How much will one cost? If you have to ask, this probably isn't the project for you I have no desire to calculate the rough cost honestly. Obviously things will be done in mass in order to keep the cost down, but the idea is to get things done in parallel and when possible just build them all identical with maybe one or two options. That's my vision at least.
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