grawk Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 It seems like you don't think it's what you looking for?? how about recabled HD600?? Non-sequiter much? The only amp I currently have that brings life into this cans is a modified Earmax pro. That is quite an amp... morphsci lent me his MS-2s and I've been comparing them to the woodied 225s. Notable Differences Woodied 225s - has much bigger soundstage - has less bass but goes deeper - has a more distant sound MS-2s - have much much better imaging - sound much more cohesive - are sometimes sibilant (similar to the 225s) - has better low level detail Bigger soundstage and more distant are the same thing, in my experience. You mention sibilance n the ms2s and say it's similar to the 225s, but don't mention sibilance ont he 225s. Do you mean on unmodded 225s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cankin Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Non-sequiter much? ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Bigger soundstage and more distant are the same thing, in my experience. You mention sibilance n the ms2s and say it's similar to the 225s, but don't mention sibilance ont he 225s. Do you mean on unmodded 225s? Well I guess more distant and bigger soundstage are the same. and I meant the the MS-2 has some sibilance on songs that the 225 doesnt have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2008 I dont know where I heard the sibilance at first listen. I've been listening to the MS-2s everyday and I dont hear any sibilance at all at normal volumes, except for some classical albums with tipped up treble. The only downside of the MS-2s is the soundstage. The woody 225 has more depth that the MS-2 doesnt have. But the MS-2 has a much more cohesive sound, ala RS-1, HP-1000. I think MS-2 + bigger cups would be awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 So the MS-2 definitely wins against the 225. The 225 just doesnt have that coherence across the whole spectrum that the MS-2 has. I always feel like the mid-low bass is missing on the 225 and the treble is tipped up too high. The two main problems that I have with the MS-2 is that the soundstage is still too small. It sounds like its closed in, like it hits a wall with some music. The other problem is that there's still too little bass. This is most likely a consequence of not having good enough amplification but it bothers me enough to call it a problem. Maybe I should just get some senns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Or speakers. REAL speakers. Or an AT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I'll get real speakers when I have more space, dont you worry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I'll get real speakers when I have more space, dont you worry! Oh I wasn't worrying, I was making you buy now. Space doesnt matter. go. buy. now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en480c4 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 While woodying MS-2is may give you more of what you're looking for, it sounds like the HD-600 is more of what you're looking for. Not super fast, but faster than the 650 and I'd say close to my woodied HF-1s. Smooth treble response, though a bit more forward than my woodied HF-1s. Definitely a headphone that's technically superior to the HF-1 and lower Grados... Hell, probably to all Grados... A well-rounded phone for all genres, IMO, and certainly a more "speaker-like" presentation than you'll get from a Grado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 You should also try a VTG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en480c4 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why don't you recommend some KEFs while you're at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Why don't you recommend some KEFs while you're at it That's where I was headed with the speaker comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest receph Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 While woodying MS-2is may give you more of what you're looking for, it sounds like the HD-600 is more of what you're looking for. Not super fast, but faster than the 650 and I'd say close to my woodied HF-1s. Smooth treble response, though a bit more forward than my woodied HF-1s. Definitely a headphone that's technically superior to the HF-1 and lower Grados... Hell, probably to all Grados... A well-rounded phone for all genres, IMO, and certainly a more "speaker-like" presentation than you'll get from a Grado. while I agree with the above, my HD600 w/Equinox, though sweet, is no Grado. Don't want to start another one of these debates, but if one likes the Grado sound, well, one is better off getting pair of Grados for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en480c4 Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Don't want to start another one of these debates, but if one likes the Grado sound, well, one is better off getting pair of Grados for it. I was responding to this: Maybe I should just get some senns. The problem is there's enough he doesn't like about the Grado sound that it might be time to look elsewhere. If he's looking for a "slower" Grado with a smoother presentation and wider soundstage, what does that leave in the Grado line-up in his price range? Nothing. The HD-600 might be an alternative that would address his issues with both the 225 and MS-2i. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinp6301 Posted September 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 The problem is there's enough he doesn't like about the Grado sound that it might be time to look elsewhere. If he's looking for a "slower" Grado with a smoother presentation and wider soundstage, what does that leave in the Grado line-up in his price range? Nothing. The HD-600 might be an alternative that would address his issues with both the 225 and MS-2i. I like the 580s that I bought for my dad when its amped by the m^3. I think its the closest thing I can get to the sound I want at my price range. but its still not a grado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest receph Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 I was responding to this: oops! I stand corrected. btw. rs1 is not cheap but still works with no amp a senn or anything recabled plus an amp may match its price. save up and get the good one and then be done with it, says I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 RS1s need world class amplification at least as much as senns do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest receph Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 shines way better - yes needs - depends on the source why do I have to have the last word? ) ok, no more on what's been said a zillion times from me. anyhow, I am biased, so my opinion is not the best one to seek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
en480c4 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 shines way better - yes needs - depends on the source :yawn: The same can be said for every headphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 :yawn: The same can be said for every <> Insert: shoes, male pattern baldness, polished metal, mirrors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 shines way better - yes needs - depends on the source why do I have to have the last word? ) ok, no more on what's been said a zillion times from me. anyhow, I am biased, so my opinion is not the best one to seek I'm confused. Someone sought your opinion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 I'm confused. Someone sought your opinion? I don't know about you but he lost me with no caps, inappropriate or just plain lacking punctuation and the general ADD format of his posts. All it needed really was a HAI GUYS to start it all off and ensure it's lack of value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 All it needed really was a HAI GUYS to start it all off and ensure it's lack of value. Or a mention of jagbag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 or KEF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 or KEF I knew you'd see the light. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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