The Monkey Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Those of you with amps at SP also may wish to keep an eye on bankruptcy filings in CO.
Fungi Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 Just in case anyone forgot who boilingfrog was... http://www.head-case.org/forums/headphones/3426-sony-mdr-r10-repair-back-dead.html
Genetic Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 The owners can try to do whatever they want. My point is why would I agree to any of that if I'm SP? If the company is in as dire straits as it seems, I just say, "ok, sue me." I'm not trying to say that SP has to agree if it has no desire to do so. I'm thinking about 2 differents kind of customers: 1) The ones with an amp that all upgrades/repairs have been paid for. For them the outcome is more problematic. SP has the amp and the money is probably gone already. And you're right the "sue me" response is available to SP. 2) But for the ones who haven't paid the remaining balance for the same services I cant imagine SP isn't interested to access this new source of cash. Can the customers nail SP to the ground and impose their solution? The answer is clearly no. But the SP thirst for new $ could probably be use the way I was referring. Amicalement
GPH Posted January 15, 2009 Report Posted January 15, 2009 There's one thing I don't understand in this whole SP debacle. When you guys who deal with Mikhail (Icarium, blubliss, etc.) are talking to him over the phone, are you showing him that you're angry and very tired of all this mess? If it was me, I'd have trouble controlling my language and not shouting at him after all these lies. It's easier to tell BS in email than in real life, I'd be curious to hear how he defends himself in a live conversation.
blubliss Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 There's one thing I don't understand in this whole SP debacle. When you guys who deal with Mikhail (Icarium, blubliss, etc.) are talking to him over the phone, are you showing him that you're angry and very tired of all this mess? If it was me, I'd have trouble controlling my language and not shouting at him after all these lies. It's easier to tell BS in email than in real life, I'd be curious to hear how he defends himself in a live conversation. When I was waiting for something to be delivered I was very forceful with him on the phone. I also made ultimatums via email about making the situation public, which I did. I harangued him daily until he delivered my amps. It was an exhausting, and extremely frustrating process. Whenever I speak with him now I almost always bring up the problems that others' are complaining about. He is the excuse meister, whether it be snow, too much work, or whatever. I asked if he was financially in trouble just the other day, mentioning the fact that he had put the Audio Note 5 up for sale at Agon, and all he said was "I'm fine". Considering all the untruths that come out of his mouth I put no credence in this declaration of financial solvency.
Icarium Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 I'm pretty forceful myself, but I'm not a hardcore dick about it. When I express my frustration I can get quite loud as I am venting... but I mean at some point I realized that no matter what he says or I get him to say it's meaningless. His word is meaningless. Him saying it'll ship is meaningless. Everything is meaningless. I can use logic. I can use emotion. I can use whatever but whatever he says in response is meaningless.
blubliss Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 It just keeps getting deeper. Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio - View Single Post - Where is Singlepower? Where is Mikhail?
Icarium Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Well I am going to PM him.. perhaps he is the sort of catalyst I and others need to start the legal ball rolling.
Hopstretch Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 I know it's been said, but every time you think it couldn't get any worse...
postjack Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Makes you wonder who else is keeping their mouth shut in the hopes of getting their thousands of dollars back. Does SP do a lot of business outside of the HF community?
blubliss Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Makes you wonder who else is keeping their mouth shut in the hopes of getting their thousands of dollars back. Does SP do a lot of business outside of the HF community? Unfortunately for those people, I think Mikhail does do a fair bit of business outside HF. There are at least a couple more stories that I have heard but are not posted, but they seem to be coming out slowly but surely.
Upstateguy Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Unfortunately for those people, I think Mikhail does do a fair bit of business outside HF. There are at least a couple more stories that I have heard but are not posted, but they seem to be coming out slowly but surely. I have heard that before, but I never really understood how that could be possible? USG
bhd812 Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Makes you wonder who else is keeping their mouth shut in the hopes of getting their thousands of dollars back. Does SP do a lot of business outside of the HF community? You wouldn't believe the complaints i heard from different meets from people who don't wanna go public... not sure why they don't go out and talk, maybe they feel duped or stupid or maybe they want to resell the amp to someone who don't know any better... call me Captain Oblivious but SP owners are fucked, it maybe time to get out and sell while you can recoup something cause the more the comes out to the public, the resale price of your amps go down.
Genetic Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 What a mess..... As I wrote, the customers under the profile 1 (the ones that are waiting for their already upgraded/repaired amp in exchange for $) there's hope for mediation. But now for the customers under the profile 2 (the ones with no upgraded/repaired done yet to their amp + no obligation to send $ to SP since they are simply waiting for the amp to come back) they should consider this: They must create a time limit with documentation (ex. one month). This document has to express the owner intention to abort any project (repair or upgrade) and tell in clear terms that the amp must be return to the owner at the end of the time limit. When this time delay will come to an end they could have a starting block to explore the criminal law scenario. With a group of individuals in the same situation chances are that the local police could start an investigation. Amicalement
HeadphoneAddict Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Makes you wonder who else is keeping their mouth shut in the hopes of getting their thousands of dollars back. Does SP do a lot of business outside of the HF community? I'm sure there are butt kissers keeping their mouths shut, hoping to get their money back.
Icarium Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Does such a document need to be notarized or anything? If you want to PM me details of such a document I am down. Though supposedly mine has already had work done to it... in fact its been packed and in boxes since last Saturday! Somehow shipping it is neigh impossible though. He didnt even bother to give me an excuse for Thursday and why it didn't go out. I guess when he runs out of excuses he just stops communicating. Joyous. I wonder if this is some sort of revenge for what I've posted regarding my situation and his business on here and head-fi. Shrug. Whatever.
blubliss Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Well, I guess I spoke too soon on the R10s. I just got a package today. He didn't even tell me he had sent them. Now I have to see if they still function. The pads look a lot worse than when I sent them and there is a large gap between ones of the earcups and the frame that was not that bad before. I wonder if Alex would even work on them for me. Can you guys think of anyone else? I don't want to send them to Mikhail who actually has the most experience with the R10s. I need to recable them as well, but this is a pair where it is too delicate to take the drivers out so it has been recabled outside the drivers.
Genetic Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Does such a document need to be notarized or anything? If you want to PM me details of such a document I am down. Though supposedly mine has already had work done to it... in fact its been packed and in boxes since last Saturday! Somehow shipping it is neigh impossible though. He didnt even bother to give me an excuse for Thursday and why it didn't go out. I guess when he runs out of excuses he just stops communicating. Joyous. I wonder if this is some sort of revenge for what I've posted regarding my situation and his business on here and head-fi. Shrug. Whatever. I'm not a USA resident but USPS has certainly a service with a signed confirmation of your letter delivery. Dont forget, if you fall into the client profile who is still keeping some $ before SP send you the items scenario, they'll probably ignore your letter since they have probably under Colorado law the right to keep the repaired/upgraded items until they receive all the money. If you aren't under any obligation to send more money, and they still keep your items, you have a green light. Good luck. Amicalement
Icarium Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 ID Number: 20031105519 Name: SINGLEPOWER AUDIO INC. Registered Agent: GALINA ROTENBERG Registered Agent Street Address: 1220 S BOSTON ST, DENVER, CO 80247, United States Registered Agent Mailing Address: Principal Street Address: 1220 S BOSTON ST, DENVER, CO 80247 , United States Principal Mailing Address: Status: Noncompliant Form: Corporation Jurisdiction: Colorado Formation Date: 04/03/2003 Term of Duration: Perpetual Annual Report Month: October what does non compliant mean? actually looking at Articles of Incorporation 04/03/2003 04/03/2003 04/03/2003 12:00 AM 20031105519 SINGLEPOWER AUDIO INC. 2 Report Printed 03/16/2004 03/16/2004 03/16/2004 12:00 AM PR - 04/01/2004 - 06/30/2004 3 Periodic Report 04/21/2004 04/21/2004 04/21/2004 12:00 AM 20041146600 PERIODIC REPORT 4 postcard notification printed 03/21/2005 to be mailed 04/01/2005 03/21/2005 03/21/2005 03/21/2005 02:41 PM annual report due: 06/30/2005 5 Change in Status 07/01/2005 07/01/2005 07/01/2005 01:35 AM Failure to file annual report 6 postcard notification printed 07/23/2005 to be mailed 08/01/2005 07/23/2005 07/23/2005 07/23/2005 01:42 AM annual report due: 09/30/2005 7 Annual Report 09/09/2005 09/09/2005 09/09/2005 02:28 PM 20051341634 8 postcard notification printed 03/21/2006 to be mailed 04/01/2006 03/21/2006 03/21/2006 03/21/2006 02:27 AM annual report due: 06/30/2006 9 Change in Status 07/01/2006 07/01/2006 07/01/2006 01:37 AM Failure to file annual report 10 postcard notification printed 07/22/2006 to be mailed 08/01/2006 07/22/2006 07/22/2006 07/22/2006 02:10 AM annual report due: 2006-09-30 11 Change in Status 10/01/2006 10/01/2006 10/01/2006 02:02 AM Failure to file annual report 12 postcard notification printed 10/01/2006 to be mailed 11/01/2006 10/01/2006 10/01/2006 10/01/2006 03:07 AM failure to file annual report 13 Statement Curing Delinquency 10/19/2006 10/19/2006 10/19/2006 04:31 PM 20061429086 14 postcard notification printed 09/23/2007 to be mailed 10/01/2007 09/23/2007 09/23/2007 09/23/2007 05:07 AM annual report due: 12/31/2007 15 Change in Status 01/03/2008 01/03/2008 01/03/2008 07:57 AM Failure to file annual report 16 postcard notification printed 01/22/2008 to be mailed 02/01/2008 01/22/2008 01/22/2008 01/22/2008 02:33 AM annual report due: 2008-03-31 17 Annual Report 03/31/2008 03/31/2008 03/31/2008 04:30 PM 20081176901 18 postcard notification printed 09/23/2008 to be mailed 10/01/2008 09/23/2008 09/23/2008 09/23/2008 05:49 AM annual report due: 12/31/2008 19 Change in Status 01/02/2009 01/02/2009 01/02/2009 09:08 AM Failure to file annual report It probably just means failure to file a report
Hopstretch Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 It probably just means failure to file a report Many reports!
n_maher Posted January 16, 2009 Author Report Posted January 16, 2009 I wonder if Alex would even work on them for me. Can you guys think of anyone else? I'd view Alex as your first, best option.
Icarium Posted January 16, 2009 Report Posted January 16, 2009 Yeah I second Alex. Besides the well documented Jena Labs incident I know he has resurrected another pair of R10s that from what I recall had damaged drivers from being knocked over onto the ground or dropped or something. Yeah sorry for the lack of specifics its been awhile since I heard the story. Either way I think he is your best bet.
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