hungrych Posted July 10, 2008 Report Posted July 10, 2008 So I finally have space for my TT, and I have my Denon DL-103 all set up, but I have no phono pre! If there's a really really good option for $500 that kills everything under I'll go over budget, but otherwise I'd rather not. Any suggestions?
deepak Posted July 10, 2008 Report Posted July 10, 2008 Splurge a little and go for the RSA XR-10B. It's probably a great value
tyrion Posted July 10, 2008 Report Posted July 10, 2008 Check out the Channel Islands phono. You can get them used for around $300 or $350. It's a decent phono stage.
hYdrociTy Posted July 10, 2008 Report Posted July 10, 2008 Has anyone tried the monolithic sound ps2? If I were to buy it would be between either the ci audio and monolithic ones for obvious reasons
909 Posted July 10, 2008 Report Posted July 10, 2008 i've tried a few phono stages (cambridge 640p, an ec proto, and a friend's homemade tube phono). i purchased the monolithic ps-1 and hc-1b used off audiogon for $370 delivered. i've been happy with it and can't complain much considering the price. from what i've read the ps-2 isn't that substantially different, though, it does i believe offer higher gain so it is better suited for low output carts--also it starts off at a higher gain as well. i am using the DL-110, which tests in at around 2.1 mV and have the gain set at medium.
hungrych Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Posted July 12, 2008 Well I bought a Monolithic PS-1 and HC-1 off agon, hopefully there's enough gain. Thanks guys.
soloz2 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Posted July 12, 2008 I bought a McAlister Audio phono pre. I like it, I haven't had anything to compare it to, but it seems to work well, and I thought the price to be reasonable.
postjack Posted July 12, 2008 Report Posted July 12, 2008 Well I bought a Monolithic PS-1 and HC-1 off agon, hopefully there's enough gain. Thanks guys. looks like I'm too late, but if the ps-1 doesn't work out for you, consider a cinemag step up transformer into a regular MM phono. Cinemags have great synergy with the DL-103. This guy builds them for $300. I bought mine from him, he's a good dude. Then into the Bottlehead Seduction I bought from thrice for $200 (admittedly a very very good deal) and I have a great DL-103 phono setup for $500.
909 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Posted July 12, 2008 Well I bought a Monolithic PS-1 and HC-1 off agon, hopefully there's enough gain. Thanks guys. congrats! i don't think you'll be disappointed. The highest gain setting should work fine with the 103. And the four gain settings (26 dB, 35 dB, 44 dB and 53 dB) provide ample flexibility, but if you need more gain Postjack's step-up transformer suggestion is a good solution. i decided against stacking them and keep it plugged in and on all the time as there is no on/off switch. I bought a McAlister Audio phono pre. I like it, I haven't had anything to compare it to, but it seems to work well, and I thought the price to be reasonable.congrats! any pics?
hYdrociTy Posted July 12, 2008 Report Posted July 12, 2008 Well I bought a Monolithic PS-1 and HC-1 off agon, hopefully there's enough gain. Thanks guys.
soloz2 Posted July 12, 2008 Report Posted July 12, 2008 Probably not very useful, but you can see a tiny little bit of it... lol I'll try to get a better pic sometime soon
chuttt Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 i've tried a few phono stages (cambridge 640p, an ec proto, and a friend's homemade tube phono). i purchased the monolithic ps-1 and hc-1b used off audiogon for $370 delivered. i've been happy with it and can't complain much considering the price. from what i've read the ps-2 isn't that substantially different, though, it does i believe offer higher gain so it is better suited for low output carts--also it starts off at a higher gain as well. i am using the DL-110, which tests in at around 2.1 mV and have the gain set at medium. I'm using the same while I just got the monolithic PS1 + HC-1b myself. May I ask other than the gain what other setting do you end up using? Do you have subsonic on? I assume it's 47K but what capacitance you use (does it matter for MC)?
hungrych Posted October 3, 2008 Author Report Posted October 3, 2008 Just FYI, I don't think it has quite enough gain for the Dl-103. I've been borrowing postjacks Cinemag SUT and it sounds way better, just a lot more body to the sound.
909 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 I'm using the same while I just got the monolithic PS1 + HC-1b myself. May I ask other than the gain what other setting do you end up using? Do you have subsonic on? I assume it's 47K but what capacitance you use (does it matter for MC)?gain on med with L3000s (headphones) and med/high with speakers (cicadas) -- subsonic off -- capacitance does matter for MC (not for MM) the DL110 is ideal at 1K.
luvdunhill Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 please use the subsonic filter. It's there for the safety of your system.
chuttt Posted October 3, 2008 Report Posted October 3, 2008 gain on med with L3000s (headphones) and med/high with speakers (cicadas) -- subsonic off -- capacitance does matter for MC (not for MM) the DL110 is ideal at 1K. By 1K I guess you mean the Loading Resistance ? So you use that rather than 47K or 10K on DL110 (HOMC as if it's MM)? By capacitance I mean the options they have in the jumper : 100 pf, 270 pf and 370 pf
909 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 please use the subsonic filter. It's there for the safety of your system.what if the system doesn't have a sub? By 1K I guess you mean the Loading Resistance ? So you use that rather than 47K or 10K on DL110 (HOMC as if it's MM)? yes, the load. yup, based on my research 1K is near ideal and much better than the others you mentioned. this fleshes out with my ear too. I treat the DL100 as a MC. By capacitance I mean the options they have in the jumper :100 pf, 270 pf and 370 pf moving coil cartridges are said to be less susceptible to capacitive so i am currently not using it.
luvdunhill Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 what if the system doesn't have a sub? then you don't understand what it's used for
grawk Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 you mean sub sonic isn't "turn on the sub's sonics?" kidding
luvdunhill Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 you mean sub sonic isn't "turn on the sub's sonics?" kidding
909 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 then you don't understand what it's used for enlighten me since you are the expert.
luvdunhill Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 enlighten me since you are the expert. it is a high pass filter that is used to protect your drivers from subsonic frequencies or so called "woofer pumping". Since your drivers cannot reproduce frequencies under a certain value, this filter protects them by enabling them to operate in their intended frequency range.
luvdunhill Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 By 1K I guess you mean the Loading Resistance ? So you use that rather than 47K or 10K on DL110 (HOMC as if it's MM)? By capacitance I mean the options they have in the jumper : 100 pf, 270 pf and 370 pf even with moving coil you should consider using a small amount of capacitance if your preamp doesn't already include it. Again, this acts as an input filter than enables the preamp to operate more efficiently.
swt61 Posted October 4, 2008 Report Posted October 4, 2008 Probably not very useful, but you can see a tiny little bit of it... lol I'll try to get a better pic sometime soon Hey soloz, What are the spikes on your stand? Are those he infamous #1 philips bits?
luvdunhill Posted October 6, 2008 Report Posted October 6, 2008 909: just to further the point, this weekend I did some driver break-in and pumped 20 Hz to a set of tweeters at low levels ... Also, I have done some spice simulation of a MM cartridge and often times, you're better altering the R and not the C loading. For example, the cartridge I'm looking at is a MM cart with 45mH inductance. The best loading seems to be 100pF (including cables) and 22K input impedance. I need to measure the capacitance of the cables, but I'm guessing they are not much lower than 100pF, so just a small amount of capacitance is needed.
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