spritzer Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 As promised here are some pics of the first reference level CDP Sony ever made, well one half of it. Released in 1987 it's built to a standard Sony can only dream off today with solid copper panels and huge transformers for it's meager 25w draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 that's some primo stuff man... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 That is freaking impressive... even for a layman like myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Posting inside pictures of DACs is so H-C fotm (I'll hop on this bandwagon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 well, is it good? Makes the Meridian G08 sound like the POS it really is and stands up to expensive contemporary gear. It does lack the HF sparkle of newer units but after listening to it for months on end I don't know where all this digitalis crap came from. It simply sounds sublime, musical and slightly dark, with great bass detail and slam. It should be even better with the CDP-R1 as it's clock linked. that's some primo stuff man... The only thing I'd like to change are the connectors, BNC for the digital in and silver WBT's for output with upgraded wiring and a built in 230->100v transformer. The digital input board is in a fully shielded cage under the DAC/output board and it's littered with chips. Btw. If you want the service manual with full schematics just let me know. That is freaking impressive... even for a layman like myself. Truly masssive at more then 20kg as well. Check out the solid copper back panel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 how does it compare to the APL? It's not in the same league... not even close. It lacks the organic flow and amazing detail retrieval of the APL unit and same goes for bass and treble extension. Considering the price difference I don't mind and a better comparison would be between the DAS-R1 and the AudioZone NOS DAC I have in my computer rig. I don't have a good transport so that comparison will have to wait for a better time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I love the foam capacitor caddies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I love the foam capacitor caddies. I like the cute little crowns and blue cylinders with the cute stripes on them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 The TDA shot is yummy. Nice and in focus too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I like the cute little crowns and blue cylinders with the cute stripes on them Rikens rule but I wish that there were two crowns on those chips... The TDA shot is yummy. Nice and in focus too Thanks, these old, cheap Canon's are pretty good and this one is heavy enough to be stable in my hands. I'm way too lazy to use a tripod... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Rikens rule but I wish that there were two crowns on those chips... they're not even socketed, which is crazy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 they're not even socketed, which is crazy... Dac rolling is the new frontier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Thanks for the pics! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhjazz Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Dac rolling is the new frontier... I could take in some of that. Likely lots of abandoned units out there somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I could take in some of that. Likely lots of abandoned units out there somewhere... none with double crowns. I compiled a list of units that are known to ship with these oddities and none can be had for less than a few grand. My strategy is to find ungraded chips that test well, or ungraded chips with the same batch numbers as those that S2 chips came from. The latter strategy is playing out well for me, as I don't have the equipment to pursue the former. Also, I have around 50 TDA1543/TDA1543A and have been just randomly plugging them in and listening and there are some that sound better than others. Remember, these chips were never graded at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Rikens rule but I wish that there were two crowns on those chips... You can remove the single crowns and send them to me. That will free you up to track down a pair of double crowns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 none with double crowns. I compiled a list of units that are known to ship with these oddities and none can be had for less than a few grand. My strategy is to find ungraded chips that test well, or ungraded chips with the same batch numbers as those that S2 chips came from. The latter strategy is playing out well for me, as I don't have the equipment to pursue the former. Also, I have around 50 TDA1543/TDA1543A and have been just randomly plugging them in and listening and there are some that sound better than others. Remember, these chips were never graded at all. The Marantz CD-7 is on my hitlist... You can remove the single crowns and send them to me. That will free you up to track down a pair of double crowns I think I'll stick with my inferior chips for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 If anybody wants a DAC with S2 chips look no further... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarium Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Yeah I would love a Marantz CD-7. I looked really hard for awhile to no avail :/ I have like 11-13 I don't even remember how many supposedly genuine double crown chips sitting around (All the numbers check out) with asebastian that are doing nothing but waiting for a dac to be made with them someday! Paid like ~100 each for them :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Yeah I would love a Marantz CD-7. I looked really hard for awhile to no avail :/ I have like 11-13 I don't even remember how many supposedly genuine double crown chips sitting around (All the numbers check out) with asebastian that are doing nothing but waiting for a dac to be made with them someday! Paid like ~100 each for them :/ $100 each was going rate about 3-4 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I have like 11-13 I don't even remember how many supposedly genuine double crown chips sitting around (All the numbers check out) with asebastian that are doing nothing but waiting for a dac to be made with them someday! Paid like ~100 each for them :/ Ouch!!! That's a lot for some chips. Btw. Have you heard anything from Alex about your player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Just for completeness sake, here are the players with the S2 that I know of: Marantz CD-12 Marantz CD7 Marantz Project D-1 (dual S2s) Meridian 207 Philips LHH1000 Studer A730 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Did the original Naim CDS use S1 chips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Did the original Naim CDS use S1 chips? yes it did. Here are all the players I know of with S1 chips: Arcam Delta 70.2 Creek CD60 Grundig CD9009 (dual S1) Luxman D-500X II Marantz CD80 Marantz CD85 Marantz CD880J Marantz CD94 mk2 Marantz CD99SE (dual S1) Marantz CDA94 McIntosh MCD7007 Naim CD3 Naim CDI Naim CDS1 NEC CD-10 (dual S1) NEC CD-816 (dual S1) NEC CD-830DS (dual S1) Orelle CD100SE Philips CD350 mk2 Philips CD80 Philips CD85 Philips CD880 Rotel RCD-855 Sony DAS-R1 (dual S1) Studer A727 Sudgen SDT-1 Sugden Master Class Teac D-500 (dual S1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted June 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Thanks for the list not that I need any more sources or headphones after my most recent shopping spree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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