recstar24 Posted February 24, 2006 Report Posted February 24, 2006 Hey guys, Check out my review if you have the time, just got put up couple of days ago: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/headroom2/desktop.html
Chrysanthemum Posted February 25, 2006 Report Posted February 25, 2006 I found your review to be very well written. I found the Headroom amps, in general, to be dry and lifeless when I last heard them.
TheSloth Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 That's a nicely written review, and I do agree with your comments about top end extension. Doubling the modules, i.e. balanced, seems to cure that minor defect, and I find while playing around with all the modules with my convertable that the culprit is the Intersil HA-5002 buffer, which is not as transparent an output stage as one might want at this level of performance. It technically cannot be biased particularly far into class A, meaning that most of it's output range when single ended is switching. As a balanced module, the current delivery for each buffer is halved, and it is therefore relatively biased twice as far into Class A. I suggest you test your different headphones again, as I suspect you will find that the module will be happiest with a higher impedence headphone such as the HD-650, as I think you'll find the module is happier the more voltage and less current it is delivering. I can imagine the Grado's exhibit the most lackluster preformance, and I'd be interested in your take on that.
recstar24 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Report Posted March 21, 2006 That's a nicely written review, and I do agree with your comments about top end extension. Doubling the modules, i.e. balanced, seems to cure that minor defect, and I find while playing around with all the modules with my convertable that the culprit is the Intersil HA-5002 buffer, which is not as transparent an output stage as one might want at this level of performance. It technically cannot be biased particularly far into class A, meaning that most of it's output range when single ended is switching. As a balanced module, the current delivery for each buffer is halved, and it is therefore relatively biased twice as far into Class A. I suggest you test your different headphones again, as I suspect you will find that the module will be happiest with a higher impedence headphone such as the HD-650, as I think you'll find the module is happier the more voltage and less current it is delivering. I can imagine the Grado's exhibit the most lackluster preformance, and I'd be interested in your take on that. Thank you for your comments and your time for reading, I appreciate it. In fact, if you read a bit further, I mention that the sound with the senns was easily superior to the sound with the grados, and that i suspected it was a current issue. With the senn 600's the sound was very beautiful, and I made sure to comment on that pairing.
TheSloth Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 Of course, notwithstanding the minor '05 revision, that module design is fundamentally 2 years old already...
tkam Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 Thank you for your comments and your time for reading, I appreciate it. In fact, if you read a bit further, I mention that the sound with the senns was easily superior to the sound with the grados, and that i suspected it was a current issue. With the senn 600's the sound was very beautiful, and I made sure to comment on that pairing. It's also worth remember that Tyll doesn't really like Grados so its no surprise that their amps are better with Senns
TheSloth Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 It's also worth remember that Tyll doesn't really like Grados so its no surprise that their amps are better with Senns Tyll's favourite can is the K701 now, which didn't exist when they designed these modules. The K701 is as current/output stage dependent, if not even more so, than Grado's...
Iron_Dreamer Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 So I guess we'll be hearing a new flavor of Headroom amps coming soon, eh?
PFKMan23 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 It certainly is possible. I mean they did add a few features to the Mobile line and I guess next year it will get a overhaul or such...
tkam Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 Yeah I gather there will be new products in the mobile line next year, but I wouldn't expect many changes to the desktop, home or max lines anytime soon.
PFKMan23 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Posted March 21, 2006 Probably but I'm curious if they retune it given Tyll's new favroite can.
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 but I wouldn't expect many changes to the desktop, home or max lines anytime soon. Oh, really. Where are you getting your information?
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 Probably but I'm curious if they retune it given Tyll's new favroite can. No way. Our amps have never been "tweaked" for any one headphone at all. Anytime we make a change it's because we've found something technically better.
boodi Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 I've had only the total airhead from headroom , and returned it because wasn't capable of driving hd650 (imhumbleo). but other then this I definitely loved that little amp , it was snappy , involving lightweight easy to carry , and not lifeless at all . A lot of headphone listeners can be divided into 2 categories, bass heads and airheads. Bass heads strive for deep hard-hitting bass whereas airheads strive for transparency, shimmering airy highs and an enveloping sound that features ambience and space. I lean a bit more towards the airhead side of things but not too much because I also enjoy some bass-head tendencies there's also the ps-1heads great bass and great air not worth to mention maybe but no joke either
tkam Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 Oh, really. Where are you getting your information? I'm not getting my information from anywhere just seemed like a safe assumption since you are reworking the mobile line in the next year or two that you wouldn't get around to upgrading the current products in the more expensive lines until after that. If you do have new modules or other upgrades to the higher priced lines then thats certainly good news. As we like new toys P.S. - Any word on that rumored 300b based amp?
PFKMan23 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 Oh, really. Where are you getting your information? I can't wait 2006 Version of the Headroom Max... I like new toys... No way. Our amps have never been "tweaked" for any one headphone at all. Anytime we make a change it's because we've found something technically better. Woah now... being tuned with a specfic sound/presentation style in mind isn't a bad thing... Also given the release of the 8397, it seems to be that it can and already has influenced amp desisn/implementation...
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 22, 2006 Report Posted March 22, 2006 P.S. - Any word on that rumored 300b based amp? Ugh. :'( The only word there is I want one, and it's not on the horizon any time soon.
kevin gilmore Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 The only question is whether i spill the beans on the new headroom 2006 module, or let Tyll do the introductions... " **** are a girls best friends"
hungrych Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 The only question is whether i spill the beans on the new headroom 2006 module, or let Tyll do the introductions... " **** are a girls best friends"
darkless Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 I can't wait 2006 Version of the Headroom Max... I like new toys... If you end up getting it, I hate you!
darkless Posted March 23, 2006 Report Posted March 23, 2006 The only question is whether i spill the beans on the new headroom 2006 module, or let Tyll do the introductions... " **** are a girls best friends" Aw... that wouldn't be nice now, would it? [me=darkless]sends PM to KG *[/me]
Tyll Hertsens Posted March 24, 2006 Report Posted March 24, 2006 Well, boys can like diamonds, too. And we're not bringing lumps of coal to the National Meet, that's for sure.
n_maher Posted March 24, 2006 Report Posted March 24, 2006 A little bird told me that even if KG doesn't spill the beans we won't be waiting that long to find out what's up with Operation Tiffany.
kevin gilmore Posted March 25, 2006 Report Posted March 25, 2006 How much more blatant can i be What rock have some of you been living under...
acs236 Posted March 25, 2006 Report Posted March 25, 2006 I really liked the Headroom Desktop when I heard it at the meet -- it's amazing all the upgrades you can get for it. I'm curious about the external powersupply. It can run 6 different amps? Why would you need that? Would it be possible to make a less expensive version that, say, only powers one?
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