hirsch Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 I can think of a lot of ways in which that would not be the case, it would depend entirely on the provisions contained within the contract which I know for a fact that I haven't seen. Government polices on personal use of government computers/software are actually pretty lenient up to a point. However, it is absolutely illegal for a federal employee to use a government-owned system for personal profit. It would have nothing to do with any software licenses or contracts at all, but rather the government's policies for use of equipment that it owns.
kevin gilmore Posted May 14, 2010 Report Posted May 14, 2010 The question of whether or not you are a federal employee is probably critical to this. If you are a contractor that works for a company that supplies product to the federal goverment under contract, are you bound by the same rules as if you worked for say Sandia or Fermi labs. I know for a fact that a couple of people have side businesses and work for Fermi at the same time, whether or not they are breaking the law is something else entirely. For my T2 chassis, i pay the machine shop the same exact rate that any other external customer would. Many but not all of the outside customers of the machine shop are other universities, but definitely not all of them. The biggest outside customer is definitely not associated with any university or college. Clearly the stuff inside the machine shop was paid for in part, and probably in full by the federal goverment. Or suppied directly by the federal goverment. Evidently it is clearly legal, as i get an official university invoice. This is the kind of stuff that the university would never make a mistake on, as serious amounts of grant money would hinge in the balance. In any case, i'm definitely NOT making a profit on anything i do.
pmillett Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 In any case, i'm definitely NOT making a profit on anything i do. Neither am I. (Sorry, this looked like so much fun I thought I'd throw some gasoline on the fire. I'll go back to the shadows now.) Pete
Dreadhead Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 your statements don't match the licenses for software on my work computer, which is a large gov't owned system. I've never seen a license which states what authorized users are allowed to use the software for, just that it needs to be restricted to authorized users. The issue isn't with the software company but the government who paid for it and owns it and controls who's an authorized user or not. If you are using it for something not covered by the government contract or at least government direction then you're not authorized to use it for that use so therefore for that use you are an unauthorized user. For example it's a massive no-no to use a software license that the government has paid for (say a 80K+ CFD license) to perform work for another client without making the other client buy their own licenses even if the license is just sitting there unused. The question of whether or not you are a federal employee is probably critical to this. If you are a contractor that works for a company that supplies product to the federal goverment under contract, are you bound by the same rules as if you worked for say Sandia or Fermi labs. I know for a fact that a couple of people have side businesses and work for Fermi at the same time, whether or not they are breaking the law is something else entirely. For my T2 chassis, i pay the machine shop the same exact rate that any other external customer would. Many but not all of the outside customers of the machine shop are other universities, but definitely not all of them. The biggest outside customer is definitely not associated with any university or college. Clearly the stuff inside the machine shop was paid for in part, and probably in full by the federal goverment. Or suppied directly by the federal goverment. Evidently it is clearly legal, as i get an official university invoice. This is the kind of stuff that the university would never make a mistake on, as serious amounts of grant money would hinge in the balance. In any case, i'm definitely NOT making a profit on anything i do. Universities buy things with grants which are entirely different beasts because the stuff bought with them belongs to the university (usually) not the person doing the funding. Doing non-grant work with universities is generally a massive PITA (but it sounds like your machine shop has got it down pat). You've got it all sorted (as usual) Kevin.
morphsci Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Extrapolating from one contractor license to another, even within one government agency, is not a good idea. Doing between agencies is just not possible. Over the past ten years we have had 10 contracts with DOE, EPA and USFWS. Every one of those had different specifications regarding equipment use and software use. None stated that the usage was limited to only the specific contract work. If it had, the contracts would never had been signed. Your contract may be different but there is no one specific contract so your generalization does not appear to be correct.
Dreadhead Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Extrapolating from one contractor license to another, even within one government agency, is not a good idea. Doing between agencies is just not possible. Over the past ten years we have had 10 contracts with DOE, EPA and USFWS. Every one of those had different specifications regarding equipment use and software use. None stated that the usage was limited to only the specific contract work. If it had, the contracts would never had been signed. Your contract may be different but there is no one specific contract so your generalization does not appear to be correct. I specifically stated previously that government guidance is allowed to change the usage and also that contracts can modify this.
Voltron Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 stay and play. i've labelled you for my own reference, so it should be just fine. That was very helpful, Reks. Pete, I do hope you hang out here once in awhile.
morphsci Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 I specifically stated previously that government guidance is allowed to change the usage and also that contracts can modify this. Then I do not see how your argument with Kevin is relevant to anything in the real world?
Voltron Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 Do we have to start yet another thread to peel off a Dreadhead rant about an off-topic subject?
n_maher Posted June 14, 2010 Author Report Posted June 14, 2010 Then I do not see how your argument with Kevin is relevant to anything in the real world? Not to mention any of this being remotely relevant to this thread, right? Hi Pete.
luvdunhill Posted June 14, 2010 Report Posted June 14, 2010 So, Pete about those Jordan's.........you were saying, not like any other full ranger?
aardvark baguette Posted November 24, 2010 Report Posted November 24, 2010 Does anyone know if the Pinnacle runs in Class A? I couldn't find anything that addresses this anywhere.
nikongod Posted November 24, 2010 Report Posted November 24, 2010 Does anyone know if the Pinnacle runs in Class A? I couldn't find anything that addresses this anywhere. Its a SET amp, it cant run any other way. I agree it should say it somewhere.
luvdunhill Posted November 24, 2010 Report Posted November 24, 2010 I suppose a RF Class C SET amp could exist? Not for audio purposes though..
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