Thin skin?

[immtbiker]

I understand that Head-Case strives to "not dictate what people say in an open forum", and that it never wants to take actions that are like the kind of actions that Head-Fi does, but in all seriousness, what was the point of that thread?

If it's a matter of free speech, then so be it, but what purpose does it serve, other than to prove that people can post almost anything that they want without provocation.

If this is the case, then why does Head-Case have so many moderators.

There's not a lot to moderate. I understand the need for many active senior members who are very knowledgeable about audio, that share useful information amongst each other to share in the passion and help each other make wise buying decisions.

But why a thread about vomitting on God's child in multiple languages? Because you can? I'm pretty sure that some people here are here in large part because they are unhappy with the way the "other" forum is being run and enjoy the freedom of being able to post whatever they want, but why would anyone want to start a thread on pissing on God, and why would other's join in?

Where does it stop? Bestiality, Aryan Race, planning terrorist plots to kill Americans on their own soil?

It's either everything goes, including what temperature a person's brains cooks best at, or else some lines have to be etched. Where you guys draw the lines are up to you, but if your stomach can take "vommiting on God" threads, then what kind of person are you and I'm fearful for your children.

I don't think this is the concensus of most members here, and when someone starts a thread like that, I guess it can be ignored, but then, why have it at all?

[Icarium]

There ARE a fuckton of mods. But imagine how much child porn and hate criming would be going down if they weren't here to quash it.

[Filburt]

I don't think head-case needs as many moderators as it has. It seemed like the whole point to head-case (and certainly what I understand to be the draw of the site) was that it would not be moderated much, and now that there are moderators some of them have taken it upon themselves to create a need for moderation by coming up with various personal standards for content. This was pretty much the predictable result of increasing the mod count here on head-case, and so it goes...

[pabbi1]

Why not go all the way and call me a fascist or a Nazi? I say go for it, boys!

That is not the issue, and you know it. The germaine question is - where is the line? And why this, and not something else?

As a former theology student, there are many far more disturbing avenues to question aspects of religiosity, above the irony of the lack of world peace in a consumeristic marketecture driven by gluttonous expenditures to celebrate the Christ Child, when the same expenditures might well bring some levels of world peace.

For once, this is about what is, or isn't acceptable here - and, did that change with ALL the 'new' mods?

Maybe we can revisit this again on Good Friday, or Easter Sunday (a special sunrise posting event), but, really, is this the line? Was there a mod meeting to discuss, or just closing ranks, a la?

I am a mod too on a sports board that is commercial, and under a lot of legal restrictions regarding TOS, so I am also familiar how the various games are played. Just curious where this one is heading.

[Upstateguy]

but then, why have it at all?

It wasn't my thread, I didn't post in it, and I may not agree with it, but the answer to "why have it at all," is:

Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Censorship

USG

[Upstateguy]

I don't think head-case needs as many moderators as it has. It seemed like the whole point to head-case (and certainly what I understand to be the draw of the site) was that it would not be moderated much, and now that there are moderators some of them have taken it upon themselves to create a need for moderation by coming up with various personal standards for content. This was pretty much the predictable result of increasing the mod count here on head-case, and so it goes...

Filburt brings up some valid issues

USG

[immtbiker]

So if I started a thread about the joy I would get raping your or anyone's daughters, that would be OK too?

Freedom of speech and all. Not trying to be facetious here, just making a point.

[boomana]

But...but...but...this is HeadCase. Baseness is not a criteria for closing threads. Crossing the line -- bestiality, child porn, snuff, etc. -- is. Too much asshatism == banletion, though.

I agree, but for me this thread was crossing a line simply because it was the first thing anyone entering this site, maybe for the first time, saw on the home page in and very large letters. To me that was like proclaiming head-case is a forum of asshats. Come on in and be one too. Why invite asshats to come and play? Why turn off others who maybe linked from headroom (since Tyll added a link) or came over from head-fi tired of the proliferation of immaturity there, only to see that here. That's what I was thinking about. I made a judgment call to have it not announce this is who we are. That simple. If you want to call that censorship, fine and dandy. If you want to call it an abuse of power, you need to check your exaggeration meter.

I'm going to make an attempt (never did it before and there are no tutorials) to merge that thread into this one so that you can post you insightful commentary to the multicultural phenomenon of Vomit on God's Child to your hearts content, but this way it won't stick out like a ugly flag waving every fuckhead in and others away.

[grawk]

It wasn't my thread, I didn't post in it, and I may not agree with it, but the answer to "why have it at all," is:

Freedom of Speech and Freedom from Censorship

USG

No one was censored, and speech is only free when it's in a public place.

Way to go........ Thread police

Regardless of it's value,

It was so very Head-Fi to lock it.....

I suppose if someone didn't care for the thread, they would just ignore it.... Huh?

But, what's that phrase about how power corrupts... Huh?

Making a judgment call on what has value and what doesn't is a big deal, and an abuse of power.... police

Like it or not, there were almost a dozen posts in that thread before it was locked.

Censorship in any form is still Censorship !!

Perhaps you need to read a bit about what censorship actually is. At the end of the day, we want to discourage the members from acting like asshats. The longer we're open, the more effort that requires, because people abuse the freedoms they're given. The "head-fi" thing to do would have been to make it disappear, and ban anyone who brought it up. What we've done instead is point out that it was an immature thread, and an asshat thing to do. You don't like it, fine, we'll let you bitch. If the bitching gets out of hand, that thread will probably get closed too. Sometimes even posts are deleted, editted, or moved to private areas. But it's really rare, and we'd rather not do those things.

[postjack]

Head-case is no longer just the anti-headfi. Sure, it was partly founded as an outlet for aggression against HF, but since then its definitely grown into its own site with its own culture. Always in the shadow of HF, sure, but I'm comfortable with that, and I'd venture to say that other regular members, moderators, and admins are comfortable with it as well. HC has all growed up since I joined a year ago, and it has been a really fun thing to watch. I didn't start the "slow forum" thread because this site was hoppin' with activity.

And the claim of "freedom of speech" is kind of stupid when the speech this claim is being used to defend is, well, stupid.

[boomana]

Well, in my second abuse of power as some would have it, the topics are merged, but the Vomit on God's child came up first, which some of you might like, others will not. It wasn't what I wanted, and not a stunning job, but best I could do. You might have to go back a page or two to pull a pithy quote, but it's there for you to do so.

In the words of pabbi, happy fucking New Year!

[grawk]

Well, in my second abuse of power as some would have it, the topics are merged, but the Vomit on God's child came up first, which some of you might like, others will not. It wasn't what I wanted, and not a stunning job, but best I could do. You might have to go back a page or two to pull a pithy quote, but it's there for you to do so.

In the words of pabbi, happy fucking New Year!

New Years Eve 1995, following the phish concert at madisson square garden, some friends of mine and I were getting high in the subway station under MSG. Some cops looked over, and we yelled out to them "Happy Fuck You!", they laughed and yelled it back.

Among that group of friends, that's been our standard NYE greeting ever since.

[boomana]

New Years Eve 1995, following the phish concert at madisson square garden, some friends of mine and I were getting high in the subway station under MSG. Some cops looked over, and we yelled out to them "Happy Fuck You!", they laughed and yelled it back.

Among that group of friends, that's been our standard NYE greeting ever since.

Then Happy Fuck You too!. I'm now going out to join friends and have some fun. Hopefully, there will be no vomiting anywhere.

[grawk]

Then Happy Fuck You too!. I'm now going out to join friends and have some fun. Hopefully, there will be no vomiting anywhere.

Isn't that the perfect nyc nye greeting?

Enjoy your party. I'll be sitting at home, watching tv with the kids, drinking a little bourbon.

[boomana]

Well, the vomiting has begun, but it's my friends' seven-year-old son. Party's off which is actually fine by me. I don't like driving on New Year's eve.

Sorry, guys. I just realized that by merging the thread, the lock from the old one stayed. It's been unlocked.

[jinp6301]

i thought if someone was an asshat, we call them up on it and smoke them out. It seemed to work well.

[Absorbine_Sr]

i thought if someone was an asshat, we call them up on it and smoke them out. It seemed to work well.

That's what has been in the back of my mind while reading this thread. When I first saw the intensity with which the membership here attacked asshats, I was a bit put off. But I also found that the "cringe" factor over threads I read here is 100% less than what I see at HF. I think the core membership here knows how to make asshats run away crying without resorting to locked threads. And if people seeing some dark humor on the main page are put off, do they fit in with the overall ethos of the site? Just my $.02.

[grawk]

Some things change, some things don't. Deal, or don't.

[JBLoudG20]

I totally agree with what Filburt said.

[grawk]

I don't think head-case needs as many moderators as it has. It seemed like the whole point to head-case (and certainly what I understand to be the draw of the site) was that it would not be moderated much, and now that there are moderators some of them have taken it upon themselves to create a need for moderation by coming up with various personal standards for content. This was pretty much the predictable result of increasing the mod count here on head-case, and so it goes...

At least one of the administrators agrees with the standards applied.

[hungrych]

[postjack]

well i'm definitely never forgetting this date. when boomana locked the thread about vomiting on god's children everything changed. it used to be about the music and gear.

[Dusty Chalk]

So if I started a thread about the joy I would get raping your or anyone's daughters, that would be OK too? Freedom of speech and all. Not trying to be facetious here, just making a point.

See, and that right there is why you shouldn't be a mod.

[en480c4]

My thoughts, if anyone cares, are as follows...

The portal automatically getting new threads hasn't been the greatest feature IMO. I think it would be better if it was more of a showcase of our best recent/active/informative threads. I can't remember the exact thread I was disappointed to see on th front page, but I can remember this isn't the first time. I agree with those that feel things like this can be self-policing, but I also agree that a thread like this is a piss-poor example of this site, and as a result, I took no offense to it being locked if it took it off the front page. This might be better addressed in the Suggestions forum...

And I just wish people would remember that just because you can doesn't mean you should. I would've thought the novelty of being free to do more here than elsewhere would've worn off and people could, well, for the lack of a better way of saying it, not be asshats just for the sake of being asshats. But every once in a while we get examples that illustrate that we're just not there yet.

Having said that, I find no issue with the site moderation. There are a number of new mods because, as some of you may remember, that other site went down and there was a large influx of new members who posted before they read. It may appear excessive now that things have slowed back down a bit, but they're in place for the next batch of new registrations.

[tyrion]

Freedom of Speech has no application here. Your speech here is as free as the admins and mods say it is. If you want freedom of speech, go yell fire in a crowed movie theater (that's not on fire), oh wait, you can't do that. Even where it does apply it's not unrestricted. I could care less about the thread which started this discussion. Imo, it was started by someone looking for attention, so he decided to post something that was so utterly useless, probably offensive to some (not me), and served no purpose.I hear people say, if you don't like it, ignore it or sorry about your thin skin. Well if you don't like the actions a mod takes relative to that idiotic thread, then ignore it. If you can't handle the actions of a moderator, then perhaps your skin isn't as thick as you believe it is. As others have said, either anything goes or lines have to be drawn and the admins and mods set those lines. Clearly from what I've read, there are already certain lines that can't be crossed and it looks like another one has been set, approporiately imo. Anything goes would be the absolute downfall of this site.