Dusty Chalk Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You didn't honestly expect him to answer technical questions, did you asshat? Ray is clearly very guarded about the components and design of his amps, for whatever reason, that hardly makes him a douchebag and should have told you ahead of time that you were shouting into the wind even trying to ask technical questions. [snarky]Besides, he'd have to look them up.[/snarky] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomana Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Funny how he can post an update, but chooses to ignore any questions he has about the tech side of the amp...douchebag. Nate, why is it that only a couple weeks ago, you were singing Ray's praises, and now you're calling him a douchebag? How could your opinion have changed so much without actually hearing anything new? How much is forum-selective sentiment vs any reality? You worry me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upstateguy Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 (apparently there are 2 Nates?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhd812 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 n-mahler and oicden.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkpowder Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Funny how he can post an update, but chooses to ignore any questions he has about the tech side of the amp...douchebag. I noticed that too. The high gain does look a bit improbable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 (apparently there are 2 Nates?) Yeah, that's been confusing the heck out of me lately as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oicdn Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I'm calling him a douchebag cause I've sent him PMs on other forums, as well as eMails WEEKS before the outtage of Head-Fi, which lasted 3 weeks. I've gotten not even "I'll get back to you when I'm not so busy" reply. Which atleast, would have been somewhat understandable. I guess you can call my "singing him praise" in ignorance. Sure, I own an original Hornet and love it, but that doesn't say I respect the guy on a personal level. Especially after getting ignored on several fronts. After I've started to read about his whining (not just hear-say, but the posts themselves) whenever says ANYTHING on a critisizing level, he whines. Very unmature of him to whine about not being able to goto a PUBLIC meet either. So what, you're not invited, STFU already. And his business practices of "allegedly" copying designs and calling him his own are also shady IMO. So what if you copied it, big deal. It's the audio industry, it's done on a regular basis. Atleast other people who do copy it, don't claim it to be novel and revolutionary and it be able to drive EVERYTHING. My suspicions were correct on the 1st meet I went to where he had a Hornet hooked up to an A/B switch and one of his larger home amps, can't remember exactly which one. But it was funny how alot of people at the meet were like "that's amazing, it sounds just like the home amp!", NOT going "why the fuck would you buy that $$$$ amp if it sounds the same as the portable?" And people STILL continued to buy his full size amp. WTF? Is it just me or does that seem rediculously stupid? I'm thinking said A/B switch was just a switch to cut out sound for a second and it was hooked to just one amp. In anycase, I'll admit I'm guilty of owning one of his products (as said above). But there's a reason I own it over another portable. It has a pretty case and the gain switches are external. Pretty much a matter convenience and looks for the price I paid for it (~60% of sticker), it made it a dece deal. There's no way in hell I'de pay full price for one of his products. Call this bitching I guess...but it irks the crap outta me when I had a legitimate question, and it tried to get shot down by mods until I made it BLATENTLY apparent is was of valid question which deems to be answered. Funny how all questions before and after mine are answered by him...especially ones of crap which could be gathered just by reading the thread. In my book, avoiding any technical question of yours on an upcoming product that ISN'T of proprietary nature (like a design secret, etc), makes you a douchebag. Man up if your design sucks...don't cry about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You're really working at turning that 'jr' into 'sr', aren't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hYdrociTy Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You're really working at turning that 'jr' into 'sr', aren't you? mahler is drunk with power and intoxicated by his own ambition. he shouldn't moderate under the influence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 nate vs. nate the ultimate cage match! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhd812 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 nate vs. nate the ultimate cage match! my money is on Nate for the win! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elnero Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 my money is on Nate for the win! What are you talking about, nate clearly has the advantage in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhd812 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 True, Nate is leading for sure.. ok i change my bet from Nate to Nate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 <3 Big Daddy Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I'm only suggesting that if one really read the story of Ray here and it changed the way they view things that they should also then know better than to expect answers to technical questions. He never has, nor do I expect he ever will, provide technical details about his products. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, he's actually removed some of that content from his updated website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhd812 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 What about Dual mono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oicdn Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You're really working at turning that 'jr' into 'sr', aren't you? Meh...what's in a name? Hell, I didn't even know you were a mod till just now...that's how insignificant/meaningless those titles are to me... My opinion of Ray was before I came to head-case, however short it were, it's still crap that he can't answer a question, especially if it means a sale. I'm not in the financial position to say "meh, I'll drop $500 to see if I like it..." I'de expect ANY question asked to be answered...meh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Meh...what's in a name? Hell, I didn't even know you were a mod till just now...that's how insignificant/meaningless those titles are to me... My opinion of Ray was before I came to head-case, however short it were, it's still crap that he can't answer a question, especially if it means a sale. I'm not in the financial position to say "meh, I'll drop $500 to see if I like it..." I'de expect ANY question asked to be answered...meh... You sir, are a fucktard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upstateguy Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 i'm not sure why ocidn is being attacked so hard for expecing Ray to answer a question. i've asked technical questions to both Mikhail and Craig, and i received answers rather quickly, so why shouldn't Ray answer a question? because Ray's stuff is proprietary like "special sauce".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFKMan23 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I don't know that I call him a fucktard, but I do think it's stupid given Ray's history to somehow now expect him to answer a technical question or provide those types of details about his products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 what is wrong with expecting improvement from someone you may be giving money to? Nothing, you're just not gonna get it from ray I think people think oicdn is an asshat from a preponderance of evidence, not this incident in particular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBLoudG20 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 Nothing, you're just not gonna get it from ray I think people think oicdn is an asshat from a preponderance of evidence, not this incident in particular. And that's all it is. Just in general, he is a moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I'm with Jacob -- I'm not seeing a preponderance of fucktardation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 everyone has to have their own threshholds... For me, it's the tshirt thread. But wtf, I could care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 I'm with Jacob -- I'm not seeing a preponderance of fucktardation. I don't see it either, I guess I just see it like this: if you go pound sand are you really surprised that you ended up pounding sand? Ray's not going to answer technical questions, period. He's behaved like this from the moment I met him and I've been given numerous reasons why this is likely to never change. Does this make him a douchebag, no, does it make him someone that I'm less likely to give my money to, absolutely. I think there's a big difference between the two, but that's just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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