shellylh Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) So I have this nice new LG OLED TV but my receiver can't pass 4K video through it since it is too old. So I need something that will be HDCP 2.2 compatible I believe. I have a Marantz SR6005. I've been really happy with the Marantz receivers so far and would like to stay with them unless there is something significantly better that won't break the bank. Trying to decide between SR5011, SR6011, and SR7011. Any thoughts? This will be for a 3 (maybe 3.1 at some point) setup. Setup: PS4 Pro/Apple TV/Oppo BDP-105D -> receiver (would use DAC in receiver for everything buy music and would use the Oppo for that) -> TV and Monitor Audio silver series center and tower speakers (RS6) I'm not sure what the 6011 and 7011 would give me over the 5011. Edited March 21, 2017 by shellylh
Voltron Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 Maybe it's annoying and more cables but can't you run the video direct to the tv and the audio through the marantz you have? 2
grawk Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 looks like the main difference is multiroom, get the sr5011, if 100 watts is enough power. 1
VPI Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 What are you using as a 4k source? The PS4 Pro only does 4k gaming, not BluRay or streaming, as of yet.
shellylh Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Posted March 21, 2017 I read that the PS4 Pro does streaming in 4K through Netflix, etc (although the selection is limited).
VPI Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 Not unless it is recent; however, you can stream it through the LG TV netflix app in 4k HDR with no problems, hence, no need to have sources going through the receiver.
shellylh Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Posted March 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, Voltron said: Maybe it's annoying and more cables but can't you run the video direct to the tv and the audio through the marantz you have? I tried but it didn't quite work. Maybe I need a new HDMI cable from the tv to receiver. Would that create a lag in the audio? 1 minute ago, VPI said: Not unless it is recent; however, you can stream it through the LG TV netflix app in 4k HDR with no problems, hence, no need to have sources going through the receiver. http://www.gamesradar.com/how-to-watch-4k-video-on-ps4-pro-with-netflix-amazon-and-youtube/ That is true. I guess I need to look more into getting sound out of the TV to the receiver.
VPI Posted March 21, 2017 Report Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, shellylh said: I tried but it didn't quite work. Maybe I need a new HDMI cable from the tv to receiver. Would that create a lag in the audio? The LG will allow you to tweak timing a little bit to make sure audio matches video. On one of my 4k TVs I am just using a surround sound soundbar and I use the fiber optic out of the LG into the Soundbar, works fine. Edited March 21, 2017 by VPI 3
luvdunhill Posted March 22, 2017 Report Posted March 22, 2017 You need something that supports ARC (Audio Return Channel) over HDMI. 1
shellylh Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Posted March 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, luvdunhill said: You need something that supports ARC (Audio Return Channel) over HDMI. The reciever I have (SR6005) supports this. http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=AVReceivers&ProductId=SR6005
luvdunhill Posted March 22, 2017 Report Posted March 22, 2017 Cool. Then you need 4K support. Perhaps look at the NR series as well?
n_maher Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 I'm also curious to hear if there are any good receiver recommendations. Some time this year I'll hopefully be picking one up. Minimum requirements are 4k video and 7.1, multi-room audio. Current leading candidate is the Marantz 6011 that Shelly also mentioned but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to spend less than $1400 on just the receiver for the new HT. 2
Grahame Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 Nate, do any of the Yamaha AVR's meet your requirements? I ended up with this http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/tsr/tsr-7810/ at This price https://slickdeals.net/f/9477303-yamaha-tsr-7810-rx-v781-7-2-channel-atmos-4k-uhd-hdr-atmos-dts-x-wifi-bluetooth-home-theater-receiver-costco-com-449-99-fs as i needed/wanted * 4K HDR (HDCP 2.2 / HDMI 2.1 ) * pre outs for the AVI 2.1 Active speakers / SVS subwoofer Other's in the range may meet your requirements. Threads on avsform.com dissect the models / feature sets (and what is common) A friend who recently went 4K, uses the TV the input source (including the built in apps), and then the TV's optical out into a (sonos) soundbar for audio output, So his wife only has one remote (the TV remote) to deal with. Reduces box count as well. Only the Built in apps (Amazon / Netflix / YouTube) , the UHD/HDR Blu Ray player and the Nvidia shield are 4K / UHD / HDR Latest amazon fire is 4K but only HDMI 1.4 so no HDR , but their app is now on the Nvidia shield. Apple TV still only HD currently, Nvidia shield Android TV / Live TV app allows use of the HDPrime and cable card, which is handy and also why i have an 8 port Gigabit hub in the AV cabinet. I noticed occasional Audio dropouts from the Amazon App on the TV over Toslink during The Grand Tour UHD / HDR - but the Nvidia Shield over HDMI doesn't seem to suffer from this. Never got around to trying the ARC / HDMI 2 connection . Plenty of options, plenty of connections, plenty of fragmentation in terns of content / sources. Even after setting everything up to use a harmony hub so it can all be controlled by 1 remote with physical buttons ( no unlocking device + finding app etc), it's still non trivial to navigate around to answer the question "i'd like to watch something good" Interesting that it seems we'll need to use computer/machine vision and AI to unify all these disparate interfaces so our other halves don't get frustrated when "I just want to watch TV, how hard can it be?" http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/15/14620510/caavo-tv-streaming-box-machine-vision-ai-gamechanger EDIT: for illustration This Is replaced by this (Other than voice search / commands which is occasionally useful, YMMV) 1
luvdunhill Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 You can do the same thing with ARC. One (HDMI) cable from TV to receiver and either do the input switching at the TV or receiver. Either remote can be used for volume. 1
EdipisReks1 Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 I have a Harmony Ultimate One. It's by far the best Harmony I've owned (yours is the same thing without the fairly worthless touchscreen, I think, Grahame). I've been using Harmony remotes for years, and I don't think I could use my stupid system without them.
Grahame Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 So many controllers ...At least they reflect the current state of the system.
EdipisReks1 Posted March 26, 2017 Report Posted March 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Grahame said: So many controllers ... At least they reflect the current state of the system. You're even worse than I am.
n_maher Posted March 27, 2017 Report Posted March 27, 2017 Grahame, Odds are good something from the yamaha lineup could cut it. And yes, the Harmony remotes are essential these days. I use a 650 and it's far from perfect but does pretty well. The pain is the PS3 and the lack of direct compatibility. Still, the kids have everything figured out even if the grandparent's don't quite. The new setup will hopefully be as user-friendly if not a bit more so but that'll be a work in progress until all of the components selected. So far the only actual selection has been the speakers, long way to go. 1
CarlSeibert Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 I have the same sort of problem, but at 1080. My ancient Marantz (SR 56xx) receiver won't pass HD, so I run video sources to the TV and audio from the back to the receiver via S/PDIF. Works fine, but I did have to use the receiver's lip sync delay feature to get sight and sound lined up correctly. If I had the money in hand and basically could be bothered, I'd spring for the best receiver, with the best video features I could, with the lip sync thing being a major factor. That, and having a good scaler available to all sources. But since I've got good performance now...manyana... 1
luvdunhill Posted March 31, 2017 Report Posted March 31, 2017 Basically ARC and Audessy (or similar tech) does the timing stuff automatically. Just connect the mic and do the impulse check and it works perfectly. 1
MexicanDragon Posted April 1, 2017 Report Posted April 1, 2017 I use the Harmony Hub with my setup as well, and it's great. The app for my phone now works over data as well as wifi, so if I ever want to screw with the kids while I'm at work, it's a few buttons away. **BRENT**
VPI Posted April 1, 2017 Report Posted April 1, 2017 Why do you guys have remotes. Can't you just tell Alexa to do everything?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
Grahame Posted April 1, 2017 Report Posted April 1, 2017 Almost. Voice control via google assistant on google home "ok google, ask harmony to turn on HBO go" .. https://support.myharmony.com/en-us/harmony-experience-with-google-assistant Integration with google assistants on phone "coming soon" Jeff, does this mean that some of your minions "are now free to pursue other opportunities " ?
VPI Posted April 1, 2017 Report Posted April 1, 2017 Alexa handles everything for me. It actually works really well. Lights, TV, music, AC. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
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