spritzer Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 The move to ever thinner diaphragms is a fallacy IMO as there is nothing that really justifies it. Stax are lost in their PEEK films now but the SR-Omega at 1.5um or the 007 at 1.35um aren't bad. I'm also sure they aren't using mylar as there are simply better materials out there now so any comparison simply based on thickness is completely moot. That said the resolution of the new 007Mk2's is simply stunning. Too bad they have to spoil it with the stupid port crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali-Pacha Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I've never been in that "thinner = better SQ" thing, BTW. I was only commenting thickness vs. diaphragm tensioning But material properties / stiffness (elastic domain vs. plastic domain) are probably as much important as the thickness in that issue, and comparison to whatever material Stax uses (or did use in the past) may be completely irrelevant.Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edstrelow Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 I've never been in that "thinner = better SQ" thing, BTW. I was only commenting thickness vs. diaphragm tensioning But material properties / stiffness (elastic domain vs. plastic domain) are probably as much important as the thickness in that issue, and comparison to whatever material Stax uses (or did use in the past) may be completely irrelevant.AliWe might know if we had an ionophone headphone for comparison. These use no diaphragm at all. I saw an ionophone speaker at an audio shop in SoCal some years ago. However it wasn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 That's even less comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefQon Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Spritzer are you able to get a hold of technical information on the construction and parameters of the drivers used in the new Orpheus? (D/S gap, film type, coating type, holes on stator etc?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Going to LA to see this in a couple of days. You guys got any suggestions of what questions to ask? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 How about asking them about the revamped baby Orpheus and the cost of the headphones by itself Tyll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blubliss Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Is it a private showing in LA Tyll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMoney Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Going to LA to see this in a couple of days. You guys got any suggestions of what questions to ask?Not specific to the HE1060, but if they feel like talking about it any information on the HD800S is more than welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 I asked about the price of solo headsets but they just don't know yet. They would also be useless without the amp. Spritzer are you able to get a hold of technical information on the construction and parameters of the drivers used in the new Orpheus? (D/S gap, film type, coating type, holes on stator etc?).They will not share anything about this, as of yet. My guess is that they never will as why would they? Doesn't make any sense to have us picking over the schematics and showing what is undoubtedly a piss poor amp design. That just leaves buying a set and taking it apart which is a 50k$ gamble. If I did something like that than it would be to design a superior amplifier and not share the findings with everyone. You can thank scum like Cavalli for that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wmcmanus Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Going to LA to see this in a couple of days. You guys got any suggestions of what questions to ask?We just need to know if it sounds good, and you're just the man for that task! Enjoy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) How about asking them in advance if you can bring along Andy's DIY T2 and SR009 and setup a mini comparison? Edited November 10, 2015 by purk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali-Pacha Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 How about asking them in advance if you can bring along Andy's DIY T2 and SR009 and setup a mini comparison? Best suggestion ever Ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefQon Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 They might offer to buy Andy`s DIYT2. Sent from my LG-D855 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 ^ Maybe a straight trade with the HEV-1060. Andy and Steve can always build another DIY-T2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimL Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I don't know that they need to compare with a T2/009, how about a BHSE/007 or KGSS Carbon/007? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadphoneAddict Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I'm sticking with my HE-60 and just upgrading the amp later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n3rdling Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 Going to LA to see this in a couple of days. You guys got any suggestions of what questions to ask?"Can my buddy n3rdling come?" They're also having a waiting list for hearing these at CES. I emailed them to get on it but no response. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kokomo O Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 I've just run a patent search for "Sennheiser and electrostatic." I expected to find some new art that is used in this new device--came up empty, unless what they're doing is adapting one of their many microphone patents to the headphone realm, or relying on trade secret protection, which can be reverse-engineered. That's pretty interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesin Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 So how were the headphones Tyll?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 My full thoughts will be up today on IF. Basically, Sennheiser did this because they could, I applaud the sentiment.The headphones will not be sold separately unless you're getting them for a second pair to the system you already have.The sound was world class for production gear...meaning it was good, but maybe not great. It was meaty and had heft, but it did sound a tad harsh to me.I only listened for about 15 minutes. The rest of the time I spent talking to Axel...mostly about other stuff off the record. Maybe the most telling comment from Axel was that the new Orpheus customer is more likely than not a soccer player. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnwmclean Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thanks Tyll. Internal or external DAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aive Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 I applaud your honesty Tyll - most level headed and reasonable response I've read so far I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 11 hours ago, Tyll Hertsens said: My full thoughts will be up today on IF. Basically, Sennheiser did this because they could, I applaud the sentiment. The headphones will not be sold separately unless you're getting them for a second pair to the system you already have. The sound was world class for production gear...meaning it was good, but maybe not great. It was meaty and had heft, but it did sound a tad harsh to me. I only listened for about 15 minutes. The rest of the time I spent talking to Axel...mostly about other stuff off the record. Maybe the most telling comment from Axel was that the new Orpheus customer is more likely than not a soccer player. Looks like I will have to give these a miss...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purk Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 I'm curiously to hear your full thoughts of this system Tyll. I sure wish that you spend a little more time listening to the system, but then again 15 mins of a private audition is really all you need any way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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