sorenb Posted March 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 14 hours ago, Pars said: What is in the Dig. Att. Kits? The boards I have are the first version, so don't use the MAX chips, but I could be interested in the resistors, etc. the actual saving comes from buying resistors in quantities of 100 ... so we can limit the 'kit' to resistors, no prob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 Speaking of the first version, sorry if this has been mentioned before but how did you guys change the I2C address pins for balanced operation? I believe all three address pins are grounded (L L L) on one PCF8574A per board, and the other one is adjustable with the ID pins? I suppose you could put in a PCF8574 for one, or mangle a PCF8574A pin and attach it to high. I see that the new boards use SPI. Also a bit obvious but, for anyone who hasn't soldered SMT resistors before, it might be a good idea to order two or three spares for each value just in case. Once you accidentally let one of these things fall to the floor it is very difficult to find. Maybe someone has a better way of finding them, or keeping them from flying off in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted March 6, 2016 Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 10 hours ago, sorenb said: the actual saving comes from buying resistors in quantities of 100 ... so we can limit the 'kit' to resistors, no prob but do you have a BOM available for what it is you are ordering for resistors? This is for a 10K attenuator, or do you have multiple variants in mind? 10K is what I would be interested in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted March 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2016 1 minute ago, Pars said: but do you have a BOM available for what it is you are ordering for resistors? This is for a 10K attenuator, or do you have multiple variants in mind? 10K is what I would be interested in. I got this from 50k BOM from Kerry I guess we end up with 10k and 50k variants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0bb Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 10 hours ago, sorenb said: I got this from 50k BOM from Kerry I guess we end up with 10k and 50k variants Soren, Is there a GB for the resistors or resistor kits? I would be interested in the 50K and 10K sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 1 hour ago, b0bb said: Soren, Is there a GB for the resistors or resistor kits? I would be interested in the 50K and 10K sets. There are a probing going on here , we need more than 25 sets to make this fly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokstarr26 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 Hi Soren Cannot change cell in spreadsheet to YES for combine kit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 2 hours ago, wokstarr26 said: Hi Soren Cannot change cell in spreadsheet to YES for combine kit. done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHTGUY Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I want to put together a spreadsheet to check the attenuator values. I have replicated figures from Kerry, For 0.5dB attenuation The voltage ratio K = Vin / Vout (L attenuator) for 0.5dB = 10 to the power -0.5/20 = 1,0593 For Z = 50k , R Series is 2797 Ohm, (50.000 x (K-1)/K R Parallel is 843829 (50.000 x 1/(K-1) (These values match Kerry's and also several web sites) Now taking these two values V Out / V in = Rpar / (Rpar+Rser) = 1,0033 dB attenuation is 20 x Log10 (1.0033) = -0,03 Where is the mistake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 those "-" tends to be rather important ...I got -0,50001 dB using your numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b0bb Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 12 hours ago, sorenb said: There are a probing going on here , we need more than 25 sets to make this fly OK. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 On 3/6/2016 at 1:53 PM, mypasswordis said: Speaking of the first version, sorry if this has been mentioned before but how did you guys change the I2C address pins for balanced operation? I believe all three address pins are grounded (L L L) on one PCF8574A per board, and the other one is adjustable with the ID pins? I suppose you could put in a PCF8574 for one, or mangle a PCF8574A pin and attach it to high. I see that the new boards use SPI. Nvm, I just ran an i2c address scan and figured out the address situation. Got the code working on each attenuator board with a cloud-connected MCU which uses the 4D systems touchscreen LCD KG and Max are using as the input. 256 pixels for 256 settings, just like they wanted it, and +- buttons for fine control because these resistive touchscreens aren't very precise. I will write the code for balanced operation in the weekend, and I ordered some I2C ADC breakout boards for temperature sensors as well. Eventually the goal is to write an Android app for remote control; that way my lazy ass never has to leave the couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 I'm writing some arduino based code that supports the original boards as well as the new generation. I also have code for a small oled display as well. I'd like to like at some raspberry pi based code as well which would give some nice interface options including Bluetooth on the pi 3. I'm traveling (Birmingham, UK) at the moment but could post the current rev of the code I have once I get back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Awesome, it would be nice to compare notes. I won't be getting the ADC boards for awhile anyway. Good idea, rp3 might be the best option for something universal for people to use, instead of all these different arduino/mcu options and the built in wifi and Bluetooth is nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 a web page accessable by any device is what i really want. android or ios specific seems way too much work. then the touchscreen for those moments when you have to get out of the couch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 I was thinking it should have a web interface and possibly a universal app to remote control it. I'm thinking with the pi it could read from dlna music servers if people would want to embed a DAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 13, 2016 Report Share Posted March 13, 2016 Balanced is a go. I'll work on a channel balance slider next weekend... maybe try to solder up a level shifter and scaler for the ADC. Anyone have recommendations for such a schematic to convert up to +-20v input signal to 0-3v3 input for ADC? The digital ps i protoboarded is the same (other than different capacitance values) as the one on the dynahi, so 7812, 7805, and murata 3v3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) http://gilmore.chem.northwestern.edu/stepattenuator2.jpg fuck that's tiny Edited March 14, 2016 by kevin gilmore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Well stated! It really helps to use solder paste and a heat gun. I did all of the resistors and low profile parts then I place the relays and then use a straight edge to get them perfect. You can solder with an iron but it takes a lot longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Way smaller than the first version boards, for sure! Thanks, Kerry and KG, for making this happen. I bought a rework station so things will hopefully go a lot easier than with the previous boards. I just finished the channel balance code, which parallels that of volume. A slider with a range of 256, so up to 128 on either end, and added +- buttons for fine control. Will investigate what's new with Android SDK in the weekend. I did some research on the RPi3 after you guys mentioned it, and saw they sell a companion 7" touchscreen for $60!! 7" is a bit unwieldy to put in an amp or DAC, though. What a time to be alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted March 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) The 10k Dig.Att.kit based on the amb.org: The kit contains, all resistors (Panasonic ERA's), capacitors and the MAX4820EUP's. Please transfer your payment to xxx, put your head-case ID into the notes field + "Dig.Att.Kit". As soon as everybody has made their transfer I'll go ahead and order. Edited May 1, 2019 by sorenb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contango Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 17 hours ago, sorenb said: The 10k Dig.Att.kit based on the amb.org: The kit contains, all resistors (Panasonic ERA's), capacitors and the MAX4820EUP's. Please transfer your payment to [email protected], put your head-case ID into the notes field + "Dig.Att.Kit". As soon as everybody has made their transfer I'll go ahead and order. If I'm wrong, can someone please correct me? This calculator is used for calculating unbalanced attenuator. By adding a balanced leg to the attenuator circuit (and additional resistors into that leg), should not the resistor values be R/2? Otherwise, will not the balanced attenuator board, calculated above as an unbalanced circuit, become a 20K attenuator due to (+RT) + (-RT) = 2*RT? (+RT) and (-RT) being the balanced leg terminators of the circuit. (10.2K + 10.2K = 20.4K) Soren, Thanks for putting this GB together. I'm looking forward to getting my boards. Now, just to figure out the resistors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 the balanced version is what is shown times 2. so the balanced input impedance would be 20k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aive Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hey Soren, just checking on the update of my 'order' - noticed you've shipped a few already Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sorenb Posted April 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 25 minutes ago, Aive said: Hey Soren, just checking on the update of my 'order' - noticed you've shipped a few already Thanks. The distribution happens from two locations, US and Denmark, Europe. Some has been shipped are for people in US ordering LSK389 and/or Dig.Att. boards and no ( Dig.Kit and/or über Group Buy boards). The Über Group Buy boards has arrived in US, and will probably go out during the weekend. The non-US part is on its way to Denmark. Über Group Buy will start ship next week. Dig.Kit for US will also ship next week. /S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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