insanity Posted September 21, 2014 Report Share Posted September 21, 2014 (edited) Update: When i short the inputs the amp is silent. Must be noise from my test source then (Yulong D100 mk II). Doesn't really compare to the Invicta which is my usual source. Edited September 21, 2014 by insanity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laowei Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 I have found in photos on other DIY Stax amps that the Stax jack has Grey, White, Orange, Yellow and Blue wires soldered to its pins. The photos are none too clear and cannot see which goes with which. Is there a L+, L-, B, R+, R- convention to the color code that is used? Like to keep things as standardized if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeP Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laowei Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Thanks. Now I can order the wire I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headinclouds Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I must chip in here There is no official convention. I have a sort of mnemonic way of doing it. Bias is always white. Left channel has two colours with L in such as blue and yellow. The brighter being the more positive so yellow is the + output. The right channel has at least one colour with an R in such as grey, and the brighter one is pink or similar. This aids in checking you have it connected up correctly. It's pretty too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I just use what ever I have at hand. It will change now as I run down the old supply of wire and switch to the new stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) So I finally received my transformers. I've built 2 KGST PSUs and all of the measured DC voltages seem to be within a few volts of what's expected. However, the -350V line is off on both PSUs. One PSU stabalizes at around -366.6VDC and the other PSU stabalizes at around -360.2VDC after about 10/15 minutes . The +350V lines are +353VDC and +356VDC. The transformers I have measure around 320VAC with no load on the HT lines. Is this something to be concerned about? Anything I can do to bring it down a bit? Edited September 30, 2014 by chiguy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Check the zener diode string and swap as necessary so that they add up to the right amount. Can use dy294 to test the zeners if you have one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Yup check the zener string. I just looked over the layout file for the PCB and didn't see anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Thanks for the advice! It was pointed out to me that with 5% zeners, 350 x 1.05 = 367.5 and yup, I am using 5% zeners. I guess I got unlucky. =\ What I'm currently using: http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=Z4KE150A-E3%2f54virtualkey61370000virtualkey625-Z4KE150A-E3 http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=Z4KE100A-E3%2f73virtualkey61370000virtualkey625-Z4KE100A-E3%2f73 I guess I can order some more zeners test for the best ones. I can't find anything that are better than 5% at 1.5W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 A side question, would there be any benefit in adding a GND binding post like what Stax does on their amps? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Johnson-Emerson-Connectivity-Solutions/111-2223-001/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuIC3ROaEqRYQyfaKnYG3ZM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mypasswordis Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I would simply buy and test some 91V zeners to replace the 100V ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 A side question, would there be any benefit in adding a GND binding post like what Stax does on their amps? http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Johnson-Emerson-Connectivity-Solutions/111-2223-001/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMuIC3ROaEqRYQyfaKnYG3ZM I don't see any reason to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 I would simply buy and test some 91V zeners to replace the 100V ones. this, the voltage of zeners will be higher when they get hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 When dealing with stuff 91V zeners are good to have around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 if you want a rock solid and stable to way less than 1% power supply you have to build the original kgsshv supply trimed down for voltage. its probably not necessary unless you really want the extra stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy Posted September 30, 2014 Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 Thanks everyone! I've ordered some zeners. I didn't think having +/- 350VDC on the dot was terribly important, I wasn't expecting such a difference in range however. While testing last night, part of me was thinking "just plug the amp boards in, what's the worse that can happen?" On that note, what would happen if I ran the amp boards with my power supplies as they are now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted October 1, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2014 as long as the zero and offset are right, it will work fine. should work fine between +/-350 and +/-400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laowei Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Got my amp and PS boards stuffed and soldered. Got my transformer 2 days ago and case yesterday. Everything in the photo is only trial fit and not screwed down. Getting ready to test the different power sections, and wonder if I can test the +/-15VDC circuit on the amp boards without +/-350VDC active. Thanks again to Kevin and Birgir for all the fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopants Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 curious as to how it sounds over the mergertron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 I turn on my +/-15 supply before I turn up the HV and have had no issues. You should be fine to test the LV first. Don't do the reverse though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 No problem testing just the LV side of the amp alone but it won't tell you much aside from "didn't blow up". I would recommend holes for that chassis... a lot of holes. Either that or dial down the current for the CCS as it should get very toasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laowei Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) Thanks Kerry and Birgir. Did not want to try powering everything up at once, even with a variac. I don't like bright flashes, loud BANGs, and letting the smoke out of the transistors (along with tripping home circuit breakers). Trying to take a systematic approach to powering up for the first time. At least powering up the LV first should get the front end CCS LEDs to light. HV to be added in time..... I have a healthy respect for that. Yeah, the case will eventually have lots-o-holes. Thinking both top and bottom plates to have them above and below the heatsinks and tubes. Also a heat isolator if needed between the PS and amp boards. Going to have to get it up and running first and then decide on what it will take. A lot more work to do. Edited October 6, 2014 by Laowei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Mine have a lot of holes underneath the boards so that's a good way to go. Still the KGST runs very hot but if heat ever becomes a real problem you can cut the current to through the tubes a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 How does one reduce the current in this amp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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