justin Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 I saw that first bit, but read it as 'Mini-V series', as in the Mini-V series of attenuators. That second bit I did not see. I wonder if the Singlepower stepper I use is series, ladder or shunt? It seems that second quoted paragraph answers your question though, at least from Goldpoints position. The ladder attenuators always had 4 decks for stereo...i don't know if this has changed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 I saw that first bit, but read it as 'Mini-V series', as in the Mini-V series of attenuators. That second bit I did not see. Yup, that's why I linked to the second bit. Although for those of us that have built ladder type attenuators before it's pretty easy to see that the Goldpoint's aren't ladder types, there simply aren't enough resistors. The ladder attenuators always had 4 decks for stereo...i don't know if this has changed That's pretty much the way I remember it. There previous version looked a lot more like a stock elma stepper like this one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 So, if I show you a picture of the Singlepower stepper you'd be able to tell the type? Let me see if I can find one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerius Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Basically, you count the resistors. For each channel, a series attenuator will have a resistor for each step, a shunt will have a resistor for each step plus one resistor as the series element, a ladder has 2 resistors for each step. Thus a 24-step stereo series pot has 48 resistor for series, 50 for shunt, and 96 for ladder. Shunt may have 48 as well if they simply short out the contact for zero volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 if you people want something kickass you can get this http://eshop.diyclub.biz/product_info.php?cPath=85_221&products_id=451 only $530. 256 steps. remote controlled. fully balanced. kind of big though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanoha Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 if you people want something kickass you can get this http://eshop.diyclub.biz/product_info.php?cPath=85_221&products_id=451 only $530. 256 steps. remote controlled. fully balanced. kind of big though. Hehe, we were just talking about that. The 100 step version looks to be a good value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philodox Posted November 22, 2007 Report Share Posted November 22, 2007 Just checked, and in the pics there are 23 resistors per bank, 4 banks. So I guess it is a series just like the new goldpoints. Oh well, it sounds great, maybe that blurb about Ladder and Shunt steppers having no real advantage is true. Either way, I'm happy with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I just had the option of hearing a preamp with a Alps HQPro and then it was switched out with a standard stepped attenuator using Riken resistors. Yeah, I'd take the HQPro any day... random, but I noticed that there's one for sale at diyaudio with pics http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112437 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 random, but I noticed that there's one for sale at diyaudio with pics At 250K it's pretty worthless for anything but tube gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabbi1 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I just had the option of hearing a preamp with a Alps HQPro and then it was switched out with a standard stepped attenuator using Riken resistors. Yeah, I'd take the HQPro any day... random, but I noticed that there's one for sale at diyaudio with pics http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112437 Have you gotten the Joshua Tree yet? Bout time you got here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 Howdy pabbi1! I've been lurking / stalking KGs posts to see if anything cool shows up over here ... yup, I built a few JTs, I really like them. Only problem with the JT I've seen is playing the input / output impedance game with them. Haven't thrown one on the new KGSS. Nice segue though. According to Russ, the input impedance of the JT attenuator ranges from approximately 2.2K to 10K and the output impedance is 750R (this is for the 50k "version" of the Joshua Tree, this obviously is not set in stone, and there are resistor calculators on diyaudio). The original KGSS schematic has 500K input resistor for Zin. I was wondering if this combination will "work", or if I should look at reconfiguring the JT? With the relatively high Zin of 500k that the KGSS/BH uses by default, is either output offset (I assume not) or noise a problem? By noise, I mean noise due to stray capacitance between the input terminals and the board inputs? I have heard that this can be a problem when using high values for Zin and that this could have an effect on the high frequency response. Also, has anyone experimented with a RF filter (R+C) right off the jacks on headphone amplifiers such as these? Of course upstream impedance might have to be calculated and the filter "fiddled" with a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 I just had the option of hearing a preamp with a Alps HQPro and then it was switched out with a standard stepped attenuator using Riken resistors. Yeah, I'd take the HQPro any day... random, but I noticed that there's one for sale at diyaudio with pics http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112437 THe RK50 is in a league of its own. It's the standard pot in the Kondo preamps and the upgrade is a huge Shalco switch with hand made silver resistors. Costs something like 3k$... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pabbi1 Posted November 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 RK50 better than Penny & Giles? What is the approx cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Peanuts Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 IIRC, 2ch RK50 costs around $500 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You can even find RK50's on ebay of all places.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFKMan23 Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You can even find RK50's on ebay of all places.... Yup. Been that way for a while now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_maher Posted November 26, 2007 Report Share Posted November 26, 2007 You can even find RK50's on ebay of all places.... It's probably the best place to find them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 It's probably the best place to find them. The minimum order from the Alps distributor (Bisco) is only 1 piece and you can configure it anyway the datasheet allows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 The minimum order from the Alps distributor (Bisco) is only 1 piece and you can configure it anyway the datasheet allows Thanks for the info. Have you been buying some RK50's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 Justin: I noticed on KG's pictures that he has the Linear dually in place of the Toshiba. Are you going to be putting these in all the Blue Hawaii SE? Any thoughts on the relative merits of each? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 It's my board that I sent him, so yes I will be using the Linear LSK389. The Toshiba has been discontinued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted December 17, 2007 Report Share Posted December 17, 2007 It's my board that I sent him, so yes I will be using the Linear LSK389. The Toshiba has been discontinued thanks Justin! just curious more than anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephas Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Will the Blue Hawaii SE have the RK50 as standard configuration? Or is it an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pars Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Justin, Have you ever compared the Alps RK50 to the TKD CP2500? WOnder how they compare, as the CP2500 is considerably better than the Alps Blue IMHO. What about the Penny and Giles RF16 or RF11 whichever it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spritzer Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Justin, Have you ever compared the Alps RK50 to the TKD CP2500? WOnder how they compare, as the CP2500 is considerably better than the Alps Blue IMHO. What about the Penny and Giles RF16 or RF11 whichever it is? The P&G RF15 is the best pot they offer and it is supposed to be a step down from the RK50 and there have also been some issues with them. Impressive pots though but I'm glad that my new source has a built in volume control so I remove all steppers and pots from the signal path. The RK50 gets the best recommendation I can think off... Kondo uses them. That's enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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