purk Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Indeed! At least for now, the plan is to do a small run of Black Diamonds. I am just investigating some machining issues right now, so hopefully they'll be ready this fall. Work has also started on a DSHA-2, but I haven't even prototyped it yet, so it is probably a winter or spring thing, if it works at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudeWolf Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Indeed! At least for now, the plan is to do a small run of Black Diamonds. I am just investigating some machining issues right now, so hopefully they'll be ready this fall. Work has also started on a DSHA-2, but I haven't even prototyped it yet, so it is probably a winter or spring thing, if it works at all.  I'd be down to get a Black Diamond PCB, if that's an option. Not that I need any more amps, but I might build one when fancy strikes me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellevoid Posted September 28, 2013 Report Share Posted September 28, 2013 DSHA-2 !!!   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyll Hertsens Posted September 29, 2013 Report Share Posted September 29, 2013 Indeed! At least for now, the plan is to do a small run of Black Diamonds. I am just investigating some machining issues right now, so hopefully they'll be ready this fall. Work has also started on a DSHA-2, but I haven't even prototyped it yet, so it is probably a winter or spring thing, if it works at all.  Doug, please let me know when you've got a production version so I can spill some ink and hopefully get them moving a bit for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellevoid Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Anyone try HD-800 with DAC/Amp HDVD-800 or HDVA-600 from Sennheiser ? Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 Sometimes, when I start a song when I'm wearing my HD-800, I am startled, because I think I've left my speaker system on, because the soundstage is often well away from my head. Â Damn these sound good. this is a nice effect, 'specially on some live music. IIRC you are anti-Miles, but you should listen to some of the Plugged Nickel concert on the 800z, I finally got this guy on the vinyl box. Almost sounds like my ESL63s in the dark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepak Posted November 30, 2013 Report Share Posted November 30, 2013 I sent my Pass monoblocks back to Pass to get recapped (was getting a touch of 120 hz hum; great customer service btw), so I spent a few days getting reacquainted with the HD800 with some new vinyl- Maiden Voyage, A Love Supreme and Blonde on Blonde all 45 rpm reissues. Still rank up there with Omega 1 and 2 as my all time favorites. And in the dark when I drift into the music they sorta project the sound in a way like the ESL63 do. I've also been using the BA as a preamp which is really nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Yours is pretty much like mine except it has more bass from that step up at 225Hz going back to 100Hz. Â Mine gains about 1dB to 100Hz in 3 slight steps whereas yours gains about 3.5dB in 3 more pronounced steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riotvan Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Hmm i think it's time to give these another shot, they have been haunting me lately and then i come here and read this thread... fuck me and my wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 I tried but never could engage with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 Try harder. The problem is usually the amp and source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 19, 2013 Report Share Posted December 19, 2013 http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/934324/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 You've just gotta love the brutality of the HD800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 No one should have to try that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted December 22, 2013 Report Share Posted December 22, 2013 I think he's referring to the difficulty in finding an adequate amp and source for the headphones, as well as still referring to the "engage" comment. I mostly agree with him. I think people should have to try that hard if they want to, I just don't find myself wanting to.  That said, I really need to hear these again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Sorry, I was replying to wink. I've heard the HD800 out of different rigs and there's no denying its technical capabilities. Maybe I just prefer a more coloured sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Therein is the rub. Â True high fidelity is getting as close in the reproduction of the source material as possible. Â If the source material is sub-standard, it should sound sub-standard, and vice versa. Â It seems that a lot of the criticism of a sound system is misplaced and should be directed at the source material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Chalk Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Unless a majority of your source material (because of one's taste in music) is inferior, in which case accommodations should be made. And even so, there's always compromises -- does one go for the flattest frequency response, or the least THD? I listen to a lot of "busy" music, so ...what's it called -- intermodulation distortion? ...is pretty important to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkam Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I think personal taste/preferences plays into this more than anything. Â The HD-800 have very low distortion across the entire range compared to most "dynamic" phones. Â I think that lack of distortion is such a different sound for some folks that it just turns them off immediately. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Maybe I like distortion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited)  Unless a majority of your source material (because of one's taste in music) is inferior, in which case accommodations should be made.  ... and so they should. In saying that one shouldn't be under the delusion that the whole set-up is high fidelity.  Enjoy it for what it's worth, but remember what it is.  At the moment, my most used headphones are:- Sennheiser HD600, AKG K702 and Beyerdynamic DT531.  I specifically use these because I can listen to them and not be distracted and drawn into critical listening. I just want to hear what's there in broad brush strokes.  If I want to pore over the "Mona Lisa" I pull out the HD800 ot the SR007 Mk11.   Horses for courses. Edited December 23, 2013 by wink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grawk Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 And maybe the style of distortion present in most transducers offsets the flaws in most methods of reproduction. Â If the source material isn't perfect (and none of it is) then having perfect reproduction of that isn't ideal. Â If the flaws of one help the other, and vice versa, then that can only be a good thing, unless you're trying to analyze those flaws. Â 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Descriptions from those who haven't connected with the HD800 often refer to a certain sterile and distant presentation, that treble peak and lean bass. I think I'm also one of those people, and my source material tends to be pretty well recorded stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wink Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 There's also the problem that some who haven't heard a live orchestra/band have no real point of reference to guage what it should sound like. Â Hearing recorded material through cheap coloured headphones/speakers will set that as the standard of what things should sound like. Â I have a nephew who is a Beatles nut and he used to listen to his CDs through a cheap piece of musical furniture. One day he came over and I demonstrated some of my headphone collection for him. He remarked that the music on my system sounded very different to what he thought it should sound like. I told him to bring one of his Beatles CDs nex time he came over. He showed up with a Beatles CD, and I let him hear it through the HD800s and the expression on his face was priceless. He checked to see that the right CD was playing because he could hardly recognise the songs with the extra dynamic range and detail. The next time i saw him he said that he took the CD to a friend's place so that he could hear it on his friend's father's hi-fi setup because he couldn't believe the difference he had heard between his system and mine. He said that this friend's father's system sounded a lot more like mine than his. Eventually I got him a pair of reasonable speakers which transformed his low-fi unit into something more realistic and within his budget. Â The takeaway lesson here is that some peoply think that what they have is realistic, and it is only when they hear another system which is substantially better do they realise how deficient their present system is. Whether they are prepared to shell out for something better is a different matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin ear Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I doubt that anecdote is relevant here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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