The Monkey Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 how many companies are shitting on other designs and making personal attacks in a public forum? Which companies, specifically, are shitting on other designs and making personal attacks in a public forum? (Aside from RSA.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 KG and Spritzer, thank you. respect. MOT over at HF is very inconsistent. i've noticed that NoNoNoNoNoNo sells for profit under the radar as well. out of full disclosure, i'm a MOT over there. i alerted Jacob of my MOT status before i made any further posts here. i only build 4-6 amps a year with very little profit, and in a couple of cases, FOC - it's a hobby. i also ask for permission from the designer to build their design at profit. if someone wanted a Dynalo, it would be dependent on KG's blessing. agree, the M3 was not designed to be SOTA and at a price point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Monkey Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 The MOT tag over there is meaningless. And given the shilling and outright deception going on over there, the very few people who maintain a healthy skepticism and an ability to think critically are doing a service to the readers, as moronic as the vast majority of those readers might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Which companies, specifically, are shitting on other designs and making personal attacks in a public forum? (Aside from RSA.) KG and Spritzer have adequately answered my question. The MOT tag over there is meaningless. And given the shilling and outright deception going on over there, the very few people who maintain a healthy skepticism and an ability to think critically are doing a service to the readers, as moronic as the vast majority of those readers might be. agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujamerstand Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did notice it has the same 11 major hashes as the one people are using for the off board KGSSHV. He spelled electrostatic right though He asked for it, so I gave it to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzziguy Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 That's NoNoNoNoNoNo. He takes and takes and takes and gives back nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobra_kai Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Hmm he took the picture down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMoney Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Thats because it was ugly as sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did get a couple of free french fries from Justin once, but I stole them when he wasn't looking. Even so I've felt the need to shill all of his products since then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvdunhill Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 KG and Spritzer have adequately answered my question. Why don't you answer my question then? If we are going to have the measurement proof debate, let's have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishski13 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Why don't you answer my question then? If we are going to have the measurement proof debate, let's have it. off the top of my head, with AP measurements, Benchmark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did get a couple of free french fries from Justin once, but I stole them when he wasn't looking. Even so I've felt the need to shill all of his products since then. For the record, I am willing to trade french fries for shilling ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I did get a couple of free french fries from Justin once, but I stole them when he wasn't looking. Even so I've felt the need to shill all of his products since then. I've gotten pizza from Justin on more than one occasion, so I'm compelled to shill for him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltron Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 For the record, I am willing to trade french fries for shilling ... I've gotten pizza from Justin on more than one occasion, so I'm compelled to shill for him too. How about it, Doug, Justin has upped the ante so are you going to match his bribes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavitsk Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 This is how it starts, isn't it? I'll throw in a Frosty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digger945 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Does 75y.o. Cognac from KG count? If so I must shill. This is how it starts, isn't it? I'll throw in a Frosty. Make it a Blizzard and you have a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 This is how it starts, isn't it? I'll throw in a Frosty. Fuckin' A. You got yourself a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBel84 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) I had posted earlier in this thread but decided to delete it upon reflection. However I feel I need to at least make a few comments and clarify some misconceptions being propogated here. I am not sure where this vehement anatgnoism toward Cavalli stems from? One guess is that a few people feel that he used the DIY community to establish his designs before trying to make a commercial success of these designs. This is far removed from the truth but there are frequent inferences to dishonesty etc I can tell you that Cavalli had no intention of a commercial venture and was finally persuaded by a few people to move in this direction. There is much that can be said but this is neither the time nor place as Cavalli does not frequent this forum and thus has no voice of his own here. ( and for those asking why he does not merely join and have a say, I would ask "would you?" ) To set an immediate misnomer correct - Saachi has been building one of the prototype amps , it is not DIY and he is bound by an NDA not to sell the amplifier. He made a foolish error in judgment posting an image on the LL review thread ( a little fodder for the frenzy ) . I see it has been taken down - this is for the better. I know Cavalli has explicitly asked for any of these builds not to be used at meets etc as he is concerned about this being seen as shilling. Kevin clarified his position with Justin/Headamp and similarly Cavalli has a few people who have been working with him in various ways. I make no attempt to hide the fact that I have built most all of Cavalli's amps and have developed a keen friendship with him over the past 7 years. It may surprise some people that I had not met Alex personally until I attended RMAF earlier this year. Our relationship is very much a friendship and as such I am privvy to information not freely available to many. I have no financial benefit from this arrangement and have participated in group buys to acquire boards for DIY or make my own boards to test some of the premature designs. I enjoy this and that is more than sufficient for me. NoNoNoNoNoNo has been working with Alex for some time and has similarly participated in some of the process, especially where electrostatics are concerned as I have had little interest in the past. The EHHA has exceptionally high gain and thus requires high feedback, the Liquid Fire resembles the EHHA only in the fact that it is an embedded design. The circuit is very different from this and has substantially lower gain and thus minimal feedback. People who wish to explore the sonics need to listen to the amp and come to their own conclusions. I would like to see Tyll measurements of amps, it will most likely not make any difference to peoples subjective impressions but a curiosity non the less. I was recently asked to become part of Cavalli Audio and if I had the time to do so, I would not hesitate for a second to invest myself in Cavalli's venture as I feel he is a talented designer and a true gentelman. As it is , I offer my support to help him make a success, this wish for people to be successful extends to Justin, Donald North, Craig Uthus and yes even Ray. ( edit - you too Doug ) I hope to continue being involved in this hobby for many years, I was disillusioned by high end audio several years ago but headphiles seemed to be different, it seems the same bs is seeping into this arena too. ..dB Edited December 18, 2011 by dBel84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swt61 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Don I do respect you, very much so in fact. However NoNoNoNoNoNo has made his own bed here and there, and I doubt that opinion will change with us. I know you were friends and neighbors, but he has earned every bit of disrespect he's acquired IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBel84 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 Thanks Steve , I appreciate the sentiment. My post was more for Cavalli than NoNoNoNoNoNo who I know has his own cross to bear ..dB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recstar24 Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I've gotten pizza from Justin on more than one occasion, so I'm compelled to shill for him too. I've gotten pizza from Justin, but made me pay for it; therefore, all his amps suck and rays amps are the best (he never made me pay for pizza). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin gilmore Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 (edited) How do you think KG came up with the fixed Exstata that actually works, has low distortion and doesn't require anything more than matched input fet's? And 6 additional parts. Tyll has said that he will be measuring amplifiers in no more than a couple of months. Edited December 18, 2011 by kevin gilmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhythmdevils Posted December 18, 2011 Report Share Posted December 18, 2011 I listened to a SOHA1 and Gilmore Lite with another head-fier the other day with the LCD-3 and while both amps sounded good, we preferred the SOHA1. It was just a brief listening session so should be taken with a grain of salt, but I can't help but be pretty skeptical about these fairly extreme statements and accusations being made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balderon Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 How’s that Bijou of yours, that is a lovely build Thank you. I have been recovering from a serious case of upgradeitus and I have retired my Bijou. It's been boxed for the last 8 months. I have recently put it up for sale but it's doubtful I can get back anything close to the cost of the parts. Either way DIY is a love not a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvlgato Posted December 19, 2011 Report Share Posted December 19, 2011 (edited) For the record, I am willing to trade french fries for shilling ... Duck fat french fries? I actually have heard Doug's stuff, and it really is quite good. Even if I don't get french fries. With french fries, it's phenomenal! Edited December 19, 2011 by jvlgato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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