That's not presence. You can talk about "visceral" impact, but that's not presence. Admittedly, presence doesn't have that specific a meaning when talking audio, but that's so far from what I would term as presence that I have to disagree with you -- it's merely one element. I have heard headphone reproduction so good -- with the exception of feeling it with my body -- that I did not miss the visceral impact, it was that good. It had presence, that feeling of the music being right there in front of me, alive, and lively and whatever other pseudo-synonyms you want to throw in there. Maybe it's just me -- though I kind of doubt it, although I won't argue that we're in the minority -- but once you get beyond a certain threshold of headphone music reproduction, you stop getting distracted by it's lack of impacting anything other than your ears. Those people who continue to get distracted by that are just stubborn in my opinion. I don't know if it's a subconscious stubbornness or what, but that's the best word I can come up with for it.