Well, I've participated in that thread, so I suppose I'm part of that machine. I do find it ridiculous to call it an appreciation thread, especially since the op hasn't even heard the universals. I've since learned he's a high school student, so that explains a lot. btw, Justin has the ES3X and is in line for the JH13, as far as I know, so that's one person who may eventually be able to answer your questions.